The horror. The horror.
Posted on 11/08/2001 10:12:29 AM PST by Aquinasfan
I was listening to an archived broadcast (10/29/01) of Catholic Answers today that featured Fr. Frank Pavone. He said that he's "in negotiations" with Cardinal Egan regarding remaining with Priests for Life in some capacity.
Even better, he mentioned that he has been working with a Catholic attorney regarding overturning Roe v. Wade. The attorney recommended the famous "rolling billboard" campaign. The lawyer researched how issues like slavery were overturned by the SC in the past. He determined that in every case the bulk of the population was presented with images of the injustice –whether they liked it or not. And so the billboard campaign was devised.
The campaign consists of photos of aborted babies three months of age or less, the age when 90% of abortions occur, mounted on tractor-trailers. Then they roll. LET'S ROLL!
The Nazis regarded the Jews as subhuman too.
I would object to billboards showing graphical display of the slaughter of dinner table animals. My objection would be that the billboards were pure sensationism as are those trucks.
Interesting that you would compare the "slaughter of dinner table animals" to whatever it is that is on the side of the trucks. Since you believe that what is on the side of the trucks is neither human nor animal, why do you object?
Do you really have to ask? You seem like a bright guy. I am sure you have the common sense to know the answer.
At what point do you believe that a fetus actually becomes human, just out of curiosity? They somehow miraculously transmute at the moment they leave the birth canal? Or perhaps you agree with Peter Singer, and believe that infanticide is okay up to the end of the first year of life? Or perhaps your argument is that it's okay to kill them because they are dependent upon the mother--so do you then believe in killing those on respirators or dialysis machines? The point is, there is no logical defense for abortion.
Pregnancy may not always be welcome or convenient for some, but for those cases: adoption is the option.
The fetus of a homo sapian become a person when it take its first breath of air into its lungs. This is moment it recieves a soul. The soul being the thing that deferentiates a person from every other living thing in the Universe including homo sapian ebryos and fetuses.
I suppose it would be sensationalism to a degree - but it is a funny thing to say - it always amuses me that people can be put off their dinner by scenes on the 6 o'clock news of a slaughterhouse.
When you think about it, it should be quite normal that people should not be offended by seeing where meat comes from, when people all over the world tuck into a meat dinner a few hours or days after they killed the animal themselves. A lot people have become quite out of touch with the reality of killing.
Strictly speaking, yes it would be okay.
I also believe that a fetus is a potential person. The closer it gets to birth, the greater the potential. A third trimester fetus has such a high potential to become a person that I would need a very good reason to abort it. One of the very few good reasons would be that the mother's life was in danger.
For want of better words: From God.
Well..you're just everywhere on this board, huh? ;o)
Let's discuss this for a bit. A fetus (actually Latin for baby) can be aborted in the third trimester if the mothers life were in danger, right? Are you not aware that a third trimester unborn baby can live outside the mothers womb? So, why would you want to suck the brains out, killing it, in order to save the mother.
I experienced severe toxemia in my pregnancy. In order to save my life the Doctors opted to deliver my child. In doing so they saved my life and that of my baby, 5 weeks premature. What makes you think that the mothers life can be saved but the baby is up for debate. You assume much but know little.
Not everyone's heart is as hard as yours.
Who does your grocery shopping for you?
I really do not want to do that. You may want me to want to do that, but I don't.
If the baby that is dangerous to the health of the mother can be delivered and made to live, of course I would want to go that route.
What does asking nonsense questions do for you?
Thank you. That is very Christian of you to have those hopes.
The horror. The horror.
Here are Cunningham's comments concerning the bishops (taken from another posted article):
Cunningham is very disappointed with the efforts -- or lack thereof -- of Catholic bishops to fight abortion. "The U.S. bishops just bought an ad campaign whose operating principle is subtlety. During the Vietnam War, the working press had historically low approval ratings because people were angry that night after night the television showed the police chief of Saigon blowing out the brains of a Vietcong suspect, or naked children whose clothing was burned off by napalm running toward the camera. Those photos lodged in the public mind and gradually eroded public support for U.S. involvement in the war. The press was willing to take the hit. The protesters were willing to accept persecution. They had their eyes focused on a public policy objective and you can't win that on the cheap.
"But the bishops want to win this on the cheap," continued Cunningham. "They are laboring under the misconception that to be effective you have to be liked. They need to go back and read the prophets of the Old Testament and note the consistency with which they were persecuted and even martyred. Jesus said, 'If they persecute me, they will persecute you.' Well, they're not persecuting the bishops because the bishops have been very careful to avoid any behavior that invites persecution.
"The National Council of Catholic Bishops is releasing these insipid, 'subtle' ad campaigns that are designed to be just pro-life enough to mollify the 20 percent of the Church that is comprised of traditional orthodox Catholics, but not pro-life enough to antagonize the 20 percent of parishioners who are hard-core pro-aborts and are constantly trying to throttle and thwart pro-life activism in the Church. So the 60 percent who are in the middle on all of this are just abandoned to twist in the wind. It's the attempt to create the impression that NCCB is serious about abortion, when they're really only doing half-measured, conscience-salving stuff that is so dishonest.
The bishops also helped kill Father Pavone's billboard project. The timing on all this is very discouraging. Father Pavone is obviously very serious about stopping abortion. Some others may just want to look like they are doing something.
I have no problem with your being a vegitarian.
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