Fr. Pavone is alive and well, and he's behind the abortion "billboard truck" campaign!

Catholic Answers ^ | 10/29 | Fr. Frank Pavone

[conservonator]

When training animals, it works best to reward positive behaviour. This particular animal (me) just showed you some positive behaviour, ie: I am against late term abortions. Instead of slapping me in the face with your condescending little statement, you could have givin me a little reward. Who knows, with enough little rewards I might become more Pro-choice.

My last lab earned a MHR title. I know a little about training animals. You're not an animal and should respond to reason. And besides the goal is pro-LIFE, not pro-choice.

[pcl]

You're not an animal and should respond to reason.

Big mistake. Humans are indeed animals. Yes they can respond to reason, but the animal response is primary. Being an animal, I instinctively responded to your slap in a negative way. As a reasoning human I figured you just did not understand how to influence people.

[Aunt Polgara]

The thing that will make particular sequence of DNA different from all other living creatures is that the homo sapian will acquire a soul when it takes its first breath.

Perhaps you mean Homo Sapiens.

I've told you before, but perhaps you have forgotten, that I am not interested in your theology. A soul is a theological/philosophical concept that is irrelevant to the scientific discussion of when a new human being is created.

You can no more scientifically prove when a soul may enter a body any more than you can scientifically prove how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

[AgThorn]

Allright, my assembled gif made from stolen graphics ! Thanks for plagerizing my plagerization, Aunt Polgara! a sincere complement if I ever saw one! And thanks for the ping!! Now don't forget the petition that goes with it!!

Yes, it's time to get serious ... for all that these graphics offend, its time to toughen up and know that we do this for the little ones. What's swept under the carpet is allowed to continue, and these little ones cannot be swept away any longer!!

If you haven't already done so, please add your signature to the petition for the unborn (and ask
others to do likewise).  These little ones need our voice to speak out for them.   God Bless you!
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b7c063605a8.htm

[pcl]

You do not believe people have "souls?"

[pcl]

YOU HAVE BEEN DUPED

Those images of are fake. If you open the images in an image editor and zoom way in, you can see where the manipulations (joining of several images, smoothing the intersections, etc) has taken place.

[Aquinasfan]

So true. A similar picture that I found 13 years ago changed my mind and heart about abortion.

Glad to hear that. I've been to a few protests and wondered if it made any difference. God bless.

[Aquinasfan]

Rationally, the first breath is the only non-arbitrary designation.

Is a hospitalized person on a respirator dead?

[Aquinasfan]

I might become more Pro-choice.

I'm pro-choice. You're pro-abortion.

[Aunt Polgara]

You do not believe people have "souls?"

I consider the concept of a "soul" irrelevant to this discussion. We seem to disagree on that point. In any event, the existence of a "soul" is unprovable by any scientific means.

Let's see where we are. We do seem to agree that a new member of the species Homo Sapiens is created when the sperm joins the egg. Am I correct that we agree on this point?

[pcl]

I consider the concept of a "soul" irrelevant to this discussion

If that is the case, then any futher discussion on this topic is also irrelevant.

I believe that the introduction of the soul into a homo sapian infant when it takes its first breath is what make a homo sapian a person.

[pcl]

Is a hospitalized person on a respirator dead?

What does that question have to do with the fact the soul is introduced by the first breath?

[pcl]

I'm pro-choice. You're pro-abortion.

How did you arrive at that condescending comparison?

[2ndMostConservativeBrdMember]

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[Aquinasfan]

What does that question have to do with the fact the soul is introduced by the first breath?

You associate breathing with personhood. I therefore conclude that you would regard someone who can't breathe on his own (on a respirator) as clinically dead.

[Aquinasfan]

I'm pro-choice. You're pro-abortion. How did you arrive at that condescending comparison?

I'm in favor of allowing people the maximum degree of freedom or "choice" that's morally permissible.

You, on the other hand, are in favor of killing people up to the time when they draw their first breath, thus dramatically reducing their ability to exercise their "freedom of choice." Because they're dead.

[Salvation]

BTTT. But the link did not open for me. Is it available in Windows Media Player?

[pcl]

You, on the other hand, are in favor of killing people up to the time when they draw their first breath, thus dramatically reducing their ability to exercise their "freedom of choice."

You have made a wrong assumption. Just because I believe personhood does not exist until the first breath does not mean that favor killing fetuses up until the time they draw their first breath.

If you are interested in a true representation of my stand on abortion, please read this post by Walden. I agree 100% with everything she said in that post.

[pcl]

One more thing, if you follow the chain of our posts back to the first post you made to me, you will see you were replying to a post where I specifically stated that I did not agree with late term abortions.

I am sorry that my belief about when humans get souls is so troubling for you. I am not advocating that any other person accept this as true for themselves.