Posted on 11/10/2001 6:34:55 AM PST by Keyes For President
Thank you; being a conservative, you can imagine my visceral feelings about being grouped with the DNC. Please understand, however, that it was not the only thing about your response to me that I found objectionable and personal - and that "fury" is a rather strong word to describe my reaction. I'm not as invested in this discussion as it may seem like I am, and I'm not even mildly angry with anyone here over this. I'm more accurately apathetic when someone who does not know me makes assumptions about my character based on a position I've taken politically.
Many people wait for the article - some to admire the mature thought and some to bash the author.
How is that? Which type are you?
If you're addressing me, I honestly don't wait in the grass for any topic to show up on this site. In any case, your implication seems to be that if someone participates in a thread about Alan Keyes, they are unwelcome unless they come to "admire the mature thought". I want to make sure I understand you, because that, to me, seems rather contrary to open discussion.
You said to Howlin: The response I got from Daughter of an IwoJima Vet didn't suggest to me that she found it insulting. Can you help me se what was insulting about it so that I can apologize?
If I may offer this: It has been suggested to me on this thread that things said to me that I interpreted as insulting were not, or at least not as insulting as I found them. (There was some confusion over which specific remarks we were discussing, and that's what I was trying to clear up when I responded to you.) It was also assumed that I misinterpreted and misunderstood the statements that provoked my reaction.
I think some kind individuals - like Howlin - would argue that my reaction is my reaction, and it really isn't anyone else's place to determine whether I should or should not be offended. It could almost be interpreted as an invalidation to an individual when that territory is ventured into. I don't believe you intended to be invalidating, so I didn't make a big deal out of it - but I think that's one of the points to be made here.
You weren't the only one to do this. I actually received Freeper mail from a Keyes supporter suggesting that I got "hot" about this, as if I instigated it. If you look carefully at the thread, I did not. (And yes, there was a Keyester who suggested Bush needed to "use" Keyes.)
I hope this partial explanation makes some sense to you. I'm having a difficult time articulating it; Howlin is doing far better than I am.
I'm a little focused on a big win by my Packers. : )
Just so I am clear.....how is it you know how Amelia, or even your husband, if you are married, voted....is this based on their telling you or did you actually see them mark their ballot? Let's just say, for Amelia's benefit that I am being 'nit-picky' about words....I'd hate to be accused of 'reading between the lines' or making 'assumptions about you when I don't know you'.
It could be, that unlike some people, Howlin actually READ my post #39.
That's okay, it's been suggested to me on this thread that I said things I didn't say, and meant to say things I didn't say, and what I said was not what I meant.
I'm personally at a loss to understand how certain people are able to interpret what anyone says correctly, and some of us don't even know what we ourselves are saying.
You're right about it being the "same old, same old."
However, that "rant" was the "rant" you all use, not me, so you'll have to forgive me for not remembering it word for word.
And it's nice to see you admit you don't need a cheat sheet, that you have it memorized.
You remind me of one of my cousins; she thinks because SHE lies and cheats, everybody else does, too.
Well, this just gets better as we go along, doesn't it? Now, not only do we not understand what Alan Keyes says when it's printed on a page for us to read, and not only do we not understand Alan Keyes' gestures when we see it with our own eyes, but now apparently we don't even understand our OWN reactions to his words and gestures.
Thank goodness for the Keyesters, or we'd NEVER understand Alan Keyes. No wonder he's so "misunderstood." He has to have a pack of people following him around, explaining his every word. Quite the orator, I'd say.
Either that, or YOU must have misunderstood what I said. (See how dumb that sounds when you say it?)
Oh, no, dear, Rowdee understands what everyone said, and what they meant to say as well. YOU might not have understood what Rowdee said. You might not have even understood what you yourself said. But I'm sure someone will be along shortly to explain it all to you.
The first thing I would want to say is that I don't think it's about "liking" either the deed or the person. It's about what I think.
I think the consciousness with which people choose to do things is varied, as a matter of fact. Some people seem to litter quite unconsciously. But even if we're talking about a something done with malice aforethought and all that, I think that all the deed tells me is at most something about that person right then. People change and it seems to me that their deeds as much "make" them who they are becoming as they proceed out of who they already are.
In any event, I guess I tend to focus on the deed. People are a mystery, at least to me.
I guess I also think of Saint Paul. First he is a brutal and dogged persecutor of a minority sect -- then he becomes one of its leaders. And we all have bad days when we do or say stuff we regret - regret because it was wrong.
Finally, in this highly inadequate and sketchy answer, I don't think there's a connection between not "judging" a person and judging (and holding a person responsible for) a particular deed - or even a pattern of deeds. By all means, lock 'em up or fine 'em, or even put them to death. There are deeds and responsibilities and consequences. But in the old days the sentencing judges would say (and maybe some of them meant it), "May God have mercy on your soul."
LOL.......not to mention that there must be a thread created every time Alan hiccups.
Then there are those who were born to be in a bad mood, 24/7, and this is their arena (no need to mention names). I don't know if it should be pitied, laughed at or thanked. One thing is certain, no political enemy could do nearly the damage that Keyes' own cultists do. Most other public figures would be humiliated by their words and attitudes, but I guess some folks will grab attention in whatever form available. Classless............entirely void of sophistication.
Hehehehe.....mighty insightful for a little circle of misfits that are increasingly floating toward the edges of obscurity.
Now, pray tell, WHAT is YOUR point?
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