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Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote
NY Times ^ | 11/12/01 | By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER

Posted on 11/11/2001 6:49:42 PM PST by PianoMan

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To: rintense
"This from the NY TIMES!?!?!?!?! Did someone check to see if they are playing hockey in Hell?"

2nd Period Score
Sept 11 terrorists 3
NY Times 1
41 posted on 11/11/2001 8:11:40 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Terry Mross
I thought they should have had a mandatory recount of New York, especially since Hillery used the WH database to win, and voter fraud.
42 posted on 11/11/2001 8:16:12 PM PST by Soul Citizen
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To: PianoMan
But the DNC will never be on board! They are all idiots and cannot change. To see the NY Times on board is amazing at best.
43 posted on 11/11/2001 8:16:54 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: PianoMan
You do wonder if the Times would have treated this "news" in this way had Bush not reached almost unassailable heights with his Lincoln-esque performance during a national crisis.

Somehow I think they felt that reason was the better path to take in this case solely because they would be fighting something bigger than they are if they didn't -- remember this is the newspaper that, over the years, was able to speak in flowery, effusive praise of Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

44 posted on 11/11/2001 8:16:55 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: PianoMan
But they still have to stick in that full recount what-if.

It is pure speculation, we never will really know what could have been nor need we. It is best to go by the Constitution as we did, that's why we have it.

Nor will the New York Times and the rest of the total central control oriented mainstream press ever deal with the reality of the corruption of the voting in minority precincts, which would be necessary to have an accurate full recount anywhere.

45 posted on 11/11/2001 8:17:52 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
The broadcast lies of the Florida winner prior to the polls closing on the panhandle was the biggest case of election rigging ever, and all the networks were guilty due to VNS!

VNS small elite group who made the decision, totally biased.
46 posted on 11/11/2001 8:20:40 PM PST by Soul Citizen
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To: PianoMan
More than 113,000 voters cast ballots for two or more presidential candidates. Of those, 75,000 chose Mr. Gore and a minor candidate; 29,000 chose Mr. Bush and a minor candidate.

I figure Gore did not want to count the over votes becasue he knew they were fruadulent and did not want that to come out. Image getting your hands on the ballets for a few seconds and quickly adding an extra hole for Gore with a stiff wire. If the vote is for Gore, no effect, if the vote is not for gore, you get an overvote. One would guess that because the votes were so close to 50/50 the overvotes should also be close to 50/50. Bush got 29,000 so Gore should also have got around 29000. However he got 40000 more than that. That is in all likelyhood the amount of ballots Gore's fellow RATS cheated with.

47 posted on 11/11/2001 8:24:50 PM PST by Nateman
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To: PianoMan
Machine error was not the issue with the under/over votes. But, like an imperfectly punched chad which cannot be corrected by nimble fingered liar liberal "re-counters" who have made no threshold showing of machine error under Florida law to provide for a recount if a tabulation error is demonstrated, the under/over vote is VOTER ERROR. Some completely stupid moron liberal demonrat voter (most likely) voted too many times or not enough. Read the rules: these don't count. VOTER ERROR is NOT a vote, unless you are a liar liberal socialist bent on stealing an election in any way possible. The yappin virtueless defenders of the indefensible are the true lying traitors. (Whew!). Doink.
48 posted on 11/11/2001 8:28:18 PM PST by Liberals are Evil Socialists!
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To: big ern
Please God let this election go away.

AMEN!!!

49 posted on 11/11/2001 8:28:53 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: KQQL
Nah. On Hannity's radio show, election day, Sean asked him to call it. Drudge said, "Bush in a squeaker." He then said Bush supporters had to get out to the polls in the afternoon and evenings to make it happen.

He was right.

50 posted on 11/11/2001 8:31:20 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
So why is Drudges site saying opposite. Or is it? Or is that just Drudge (Matt, is business slow?)?
51 posted on 11/11/2001 8:33:24 PM PST by WOOHOO
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To: PianoMan
This notion that an "undervote" must have been a mistake, that the voter must have "intended" to have voted for somebody, is an insultingly mistaken notion.

There have been races in which we were allowed to cast, say, a total of three votes amongst six or more candidates for three open seats on a board. In cases like that, I have frequently just voted for my favorite candidate, and not cast my other votes, on the theory that in a close race, my 2nd and 3rd choices could out-poll my top choice and knock them out of contention. This being the case, I would be outraged if someone would take it upon themselves to assume that since I voted for one candidate, I must have intended to vote for two others as well, and to try to guess for which two candidates I "intended" to vote. Such an approach would actually NULLIFY my actual voting intent, and would effectively disinfranchise me.

I also refuse to vote for a candidate if they are running unopposed for an office. I am NOT a rubber stamp. My unmarked ballot is intended to be a political statement. Interpreting it as an "undervote" and attempting to discern who I might have intended to vote for also effectively NULLIFIES my actual voting intent, and effectively disinfranchises me.

It is the height of arrogance to assume that a blank ballot that is cast by a voter is intended to be anything other than a blank ballot. There may be any number of reasons why a voter may wish to cast a blank ballot. Some might make more sense than others, but in a system of free elections, the right to cast a blank vote for any, all, or no reason should be every bit as much a right of a voter as the right to cast a vote for any particular candidate. To effectively deny a voter the right to cast a ballot for NO candidate is every bit as anti-democratic as is denying a voter the right to cast a ballot for ANY particular candidate.

52 posted on 11/11/2001 8:43:54 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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I think the ability to correctly fill out a ballot should be considered a kind of bare minimum intelligence test to earn the right to vote.
53 posted on 11/11/2001 8:43:59 PM PST by ICU812
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I still remember that sinking feeling, that creeping horror as the three key states (so the media had been telling me for weeks) fell to Gore that night. I kept clinging to hope of an upset out West here. We Freepers were frantic and confused. Florida was snatched away from Gore. Then Fox gave it to Bush, declaring him the winner, and we opened the bubbly. Only it was celebratation too soon. Al Gore had decided to torture America.

Those were some *great* freeper days, imho. Managing threads, covering all the court cases night and day via TV, radio and streaming media. Reading opinions from justices and legal eagle freepers. Reading about the freeper protests. Enjoying the theatre that was Judge Saul's court and the Democratic "case". And Al Gore telling his guests to just look for the crowd chanting "Get out of Cheney's house."

Can we finally put the 2000 election to bed? Please?

54 posted on 11/11/2001 8:44:03 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: aquawrench; republican; Angelique; rboatman; tame; Alamo-Girl; zappo; backhoe; goseminoles...
The democrats were bent on stealing the election and would have succeeded given time. There is no way the voting machine can create a dimpled chad. There was some chicanery going on down there.

Ask anybody in Bill Daley's Chicago Democrat machine. When you're in a hurry at 7:15 PM to fix an election, you put a whole stack of ballots into the Vote-O-Matic machine at the same time and vote a straight Democrat ticket. Unfortunately, on some of the older machines that creates a lot of dimpled or hanging chads.

55 posted on 11/11/2001 8:45:32 PM PST by Bryan
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To: Paulus Invictus
TERRY MCAULIFFE, chairman of the Democratic National Committee:

Clearly it's muddled. ... I have consistently said, George Bush has been sworn in. We all support him. We support him now more than ever."

56 posted on 11/11/2001 8:48:29 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Nick Danger
They read your first comment from early today. LOL
57 posted on 11/11/2001 8:49:39 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: PianoMan
Congratulations President-elect Bush!
58 posted on 11/11/2001 8:50:10 PM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: Bryan
bump good work over at the grill. they aren't even swinging just crying.
59 posted on 11/11/2001 8:50:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: PianoMan
I just hope they keep whining and talking like the Un-American drek that they really are.

Bill Clinton tells us that today's terrorism is a result somehow of America's past sins like slavery and taking lands from Native Americans.

Hillary tells us that the tax rebate caused national security lapses and indirectly caused the terrorism.

Rush is right when he says liberals really get funny when they're desperate and powerless. Let them keep on talking.

60 posted on 11/11/2001 8:51:58 PM PST by jeep jeep
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