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American Airlines Flight 587's Crash was NOT AN ACCIDENT!
Sierra Times ^ | November 13, 2001 | Angel Shamaya

Posted on 11/13/2001 10:16:00 AM PST by FresnoDA

American Airlines Flight 587's Crash
was NOT an Accident.
Angel Shamaya
11.13.01


With all the mediawhores and government mouths telling us that American Airlines flight 587's crash (November 12, 2001) was "an accident," one need only look at the known facts -- overlaid with the Law of Probability -- to know that they are lying.

Consider the following known facts:

1) The airplane that went down was an American Airlines jet. American Airlines was used against America on 9/11. It bears the name of our nation, making it, once again, a juicy target for those who hate our country. (The airlines used on 9/11 were American and United -- the latter likely chosen to "prove" that were are not united.)

2) The airplane went down on Veteran's Day, a slap in the face of all Vets -- including those who are painting the Afghanistan desert floor with Taliban blood.

3) The airplane went down during the UN General Assembly meetings between a host of international dignitaries, in the same city where the meetings were taking place, as meetings were underway, in the same city where the largest attacks of 9/11 took place. The likely message received by the leaders of countless nations of the world: "America is losing it."

4) The engine separated from the plane, as did at least one major section of the airfoil structures (tail fin, shown recovered from the waters off of New York, CNN, not long after the crash). Reports from multiple pilots -- including one who witnessed the crash and the engine's separation from the plane -- say they have NEVER known of mere engine failure to make engines and tail fins fly off of airplanes -- in this or any other modern aircraft of its type.

5) The federal government is on record as saying the crash was "an accident" -- "some sort of engine failure" -- long before they had the voice recorder or the flight data recorder (black box, which as of this writing they claim not to have yet recovered) in their possession -- curious and suspicious to a very high degree as it's highly unscientific and unprofessional. This even though they have no records of previous airplane crashes showing such unusual "separation of parts" prior to accidental (mechanical failure) crashes of the same or similar planes as was seen in this "accident." Instead, they specifically, clearly and IMMEDIATELY released statements that break with investigatory patterns involving conclusive statements pointing to causes of crashes.

QUESTION:

What are the chances of all of the above known factors coming into play at the same time?

ANSWER:

So remote as to reside -- on the Scale of Probabilities -- somewhere between:

A) "gross statistical impossibility"

B) "utterly impossible and pointing to a clear, unmistakable cover-up."

Pick one.

I say it's B, for the following primary reasons:

1) The government and the airlines industry was, even as the flames were still burning after the crash of AA597, urging the American people to book flights for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Their fears of travel downturns are being realized, and the economic impact of said downturn is being felt painfully throughout the industry and thus the nation. Another terrorist attack just prior to one of the two largest travel weeks in the year could literally put a couple of the airlines out of business for good and have untold negative economic consequences, none of which looks good for our depressed economy.

They want you to keep propping up the American Empire with your federal reserve notes -- backed ONLY by your belief in them -- before they are no longer worth anything.

2) The federal government has been exhibiting -- forever -- a lack of trust and faith in the ability of the American people to handle the truth. They don't think you are "mature enough" to handle the truth. Your great- and great-great- and great-great-great-grandparents couldn't handle the truth about massacres of native American indians, so they painted the genocides as righteous events. Et cetera, throughout our history, right up to Waco where We The People "couldn't handle the truth" that a host of FBI and BATF agents were cold blooded murderers of innocent American women and children, so anything but the truth was made known even though what we were told was way beyond preposterous.

Your government doesn't trust you, believe in you, have faith in you, respect you or your judgement and certainly doesn't believe you can deal with the fact that the latest flying bomb was downed intentionally. But they want you to keep your head in the sand and fly another potential flying bomb in hopes you get to and from your holiday destinations alive. Those who don't, mark my words, will be declared the victims of another "accident." Either that or a "Thanksgiving Airline Disaster" would be used to justify giving some federal agency another $40 billion "to protect you." Or both.

If your government doesn't trust you, isn't honest with you, lies directly to you, hides facts and avoids discussions of known facts while trying to lure more money out of your pocket and safety from your life..., what does that say about their opinion of you?

And what does that mean about your relationship to them?

 

Angel Shamaya is the Founder/Executive Director of KeepAndBearArms.com


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: flight587
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1 posted on 11/13/2001 10:16:01 AM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Ah, I get it....one only needs the laws of probability to come to a definitive verdict.
2 posted on 11/13/2001 10:18:43 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: FresnoDA
Biggest PING I can muster! (Yahoo for Fresno/Central Valley Chapter!) For victory & freedom!!!
3 posted on 11/13/2001 10:19:24 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: FresnoDA
Well, I am not disagreeing, but engines HAVE fell off planes before...........do you recall the AA flight in Chicago back in 78 or 79.......left engine fell completely off the plane..........DC10

Also, in the summer of 1990, the entire B1B fleet was grounded, because an engine had fell off a plane during a training exercise. This is why the B1B did not participate in the Gulf War.

Just FYI for discussion

4 posted on 11/13/2001 10:20:36 AM PST by GoredInMich
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To: FresnoDA
A REALLY long time ago (prior to 1987 I'm sure), G. Gordon Liddy wrote a piece in OMNI magazine in which he pretended to be giving a situation report to the President after terrorists had crippled America.

In it, he described something called a Liquid Metal Embrittlement Agent.

The idea was, the terrorists gained access to the planes exteriors, and then "drew" on them invisibly with this stuff, and the planes came apart in flight.

Anybody else ever heard of this stuff. Is it real?

I can't recall if Liddy was writing this as purely fictional, or if it was supposed to be based on actual possibilities.

5 posted on 11/13/2001 10:22:42 AM PST by Carlucci
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To: Saundra Duffy
Interesting read when ya consider that Georgie Stephanopoulis is back on the tube, for the second time, making a rapid referance to the the bombing of TWA 800. I wonder if something about that aircraft, still so fresh in the minds of many, is about to explode outward-if so-Georgie wants it known that HE was NOT part of the cover-up.
6 posted on 11/13/2001 10:23:35 AM PST by Republic
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To: FresnoDA
Angel should stick to 2nd Amendment issues.
7 posted on 11/13/2001 10:24:02 AM PST by wysiwyg
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To: FresnoDA
Is it possible to express a distrust of government without sounding hysterical? If this article is any indication apparently not.

Government's out to get me!
8 posted on 11/13/2001 10:24:19 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: GoredInMich
But in the past when engines fall off, have pieces of the tail ended up in the bay?
9 posted on 11/13/2001 10:25:14 AM PST by okie_tech
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To: FresnoDA
Come to think of it, I think Reagan's alzheimers disease is a terrorist attack that the Government is covering up. Sheesh, get over the paranoia already. Deal with only the facts as you know them, unless you consider coincidence a science....
10 posted on 11/13/2001 10:25:50 AM PST by SternTrek
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To: FresnoDA
>>...The airplane went down on Veteran's Day, ...<<

Actually, Veteran's Day was the day before.

11 posted on 11/13/2001 10:26:09 AM PST by FReepaholic
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To: FresnoDA
Maybe it's just me, but perhaps we should actually listen to the CVR and analyse the FDR before leaping to any conclusions. Planes managed to crash before 9-11, and they will continue to do so. I have not heard a single government spokesman say that this was definitely an accident, have you?
12 posted on 11/13/2001 10:27:02 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: tscislaw
Now, now, only a statist sheeple would point out the obvious to an Angel on a mission.
13 posted on 11/13/2001 10:28:34 AM PST by Whilom
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To: mountaineer
I think you need double thick foil to counter the weirdo quotient on this forum!
14 posted on 11/13/2001 10:29:23 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: FresnoDA
"Known fact" number 2 is, um, not a fact. Veterans' Day was Sunday.

But even so, I'll wear a tin foil garrison cap for the next week just to be safe.

15 posted on 11/13/2001 10:29:42 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: FresnoDA
Somehow the introductory word "mediawhores" starts the mood, and then the Lincoln/Johnson amazing coincidences casts an aroma of b.s.
16 posted on 11/13/2001 10:30:45 AM PST by KirklandJunction
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To: FresnoDA
To avoid the temptation to simply announce

KOOK ALERT!

let me just suggest you stick to the Second Amendment and give up on aeronautical engineering, history, economics, statistics and political science. You don't seem to have an aptitude for them.
17 posted on 11/13/2001 10:30:50 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: FresnoDA
The federal government is on record as saying the crash was "an accident" -- "some sort of engine failure" -- long before they had the voice recorder or the flight data recorder (black box, which as of this writing they claim not to have yet recovered) in their possession -- curious and suspicious to a very high degree as it's highly unscientific and unprofessional.

This is an out and out lie. An untruth. A statement as fact of something that isn't. Not only was the government not on record as "saying the crash was an accident" yesterday, they aren't today. What they are on record with, and if you're paying any attention you should know this, is "nothing has been ruled in and nothing has been ruled out." They've said that there is currently no evidence for terrorism. They have not said that it wasn't terrorism. There's a significant difference.

And yesterday wasn't Veterans' Day. That was Sunday, which was, coincidentally, two months, to the day, after the 9/11 attacks. Surely it would have been much more symbolic to crash another plane on 11/11, Veterans' Day, than on 11/12, the day after Veterans' Day.

As to this - "Reports from multiple pilots...say they have NEVER known of mere engine failure to make engines and tail fins fly off of airplanes", it doesn't take much research to come up with this - "Engine and pylon separated from aircraft during takeoff. Loss of hydraulics to slats. Aircraft rolled and crashed. Highest single plane death toll in U.S. aviation history. Maintenance-induced damage to the pylon. " - 5/25/79, O'Hare, American Airlines FLIGHT: 191.

Hmm...that sounds suspiciously like what happened yesterday. I bet that Chicago incident was terrorists, too, preparing...

18 posted on 11/13/2001 10:31:08 AM PST by Lyford
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To: Zordas
**Ping**
19 posted on 11/13/2001 10:31:16 AM PST by TwoStep
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To: FresnoDA
2) The federal government has been exhibiting -- forever -- a lack of trust and faith in the ability of the American people to handle the truth.
well, the truth is horrible - but never TOO horrible
20 posted on 11/13/2001 10:31:42 AM PST by Milosevic2
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To: GoredInMich
Yes, I remember the engine falling off an A/A airplane well. See my post here.
21 posted on 11/13/2001 10:31:58 AM PST by stylin_geek
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To: okie_tech
But in the past when engines fall off, have pieces of the tail ended up in the bay?

I don't the answer to this, but I do have a theory FWIW. If the severed engine hit the vertical stabilizer over the bay, one would assume that both would fall into the water, right? However, what if the stabilizer had different characteristics than the engine (i.e., weight, inertia, etc.). Wouldn't the much lighter stabilizer have a different track when compared to the engine? Wouldn't it "flutter" somewhat to earth, while the engine would continue toward the direction of flight in an almost ballistic track? If so, this might explain why the two pieces did not fall in the same location, even though they became severed at alomost the same time. Just a theory.

22 posted on 11/13/2001 10:32:41 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: FresnoDA
The only way Angel Shamaya can say this conclusively and factually is if Angel Shamaya was one of the terrorists. And "Shamaya" is an Arabic/Muslim-sounding name.

Now what was the phone number to the local FBI office?

23 posted on 11/13/2001 10:32:47 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: FresnoDA

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling" said Chicken Little.

Okay, now I guess that there never were any plane accidents that happened by mechanical failure, they are all victims of terrorist attack. This includes all plane crashes as far back as Kitty Hawk in 1903.

It would be nice to find a Bogey Man under every rock, however I don't think you will. I still firmly believe it was an Alien Nazi Dwarf with an Illudium Q-238 ray gun which brought it down.

Give people a couple of coincidentals and it immediately becomes a plot. By the way, Veterans Day, the real holiday ... is on November 11th, not the 12th!

24 posted on 11/13/2001 10:33:05 AM PST by Colt .45
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To: FresnoDA
This is a ridiculous article.
25 posted on 11/13/2001 10:34:37 AM PST by mlo
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To: FresnoDA
If it was terrorists:

Why that plane instead of one with UN types on it?

Why crash it into a town instead of the UN?

Why make it look like an engine failure and therefore easy for the bad government types to hide from the people?

26 posted on 11/13/2001 10:34:42 AM PST by John Jamieson
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To: FresnoDA
one need only look at the known facts -- overlaid with the Law of Probability -- to know that they are lying.

Consider the following known facts:

LOL!! The first three are "facts" that show us they are lying? Uh, dates in time prove someone is lying? Wow, I will have to use this one in court.

As for the other facts: Every time something happens, whether its a plane crash, a building bombing or whatever, every other person and their brother become engineering experts over night, making themselves look like utter fools. I would guess that most eyewitnesses and "piolets" interviewd have no clue about airplane construction or the physics surrounding it. This combined with "heightened emotions" would probablu cause eyewitnesses to give slightly different stories. Heck, ask any traffic cop and he will tell you that you get different stories from witnesses involving wrecks on the road. Nuff said.

27 posted on 11/13/2001 10:35:04 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: FresnoDA
Not to oversimplify, but the markets yesterday morning thought there was an attack, and dipped. Then, as the "accident" theory got reported more often, the market came back up. It's back up today.
28 posted on 11/13/2001 10:35:05 AM PST by lds23
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To: Saundra Duffy
Thanks Saundra, and don't forget this article.  I smell a rat with this crash in New York.  This is WHY it is imperative that the US Government be held to the fire when it comes to accuracy and accountability.

Friday, June 29, 2001



COMING TOMORROW
TWA Flight 800: The cover-up begins to unravel
Geoff Metcalf interviews producer Jack Cashill on new developments in jet crash


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On the evening of July 17, 1996, at 8:19 p.m., TWA Flight 800, a Boeing 747, took off from Kennedy Airport, bound for Paris, France. At 8:31 p.m., over 730 people watched Flight 800 explode, killing all 230 of the people aboard. Not long afterwards, millions of Americans watched their televisions in stunned horror as search and rescue crews looked for survivors among the flaming debris. Only dead bodies were recovered.

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All but a few journalists accepted the government's version of events. Few bothered to investigate the numerous eyewitnesses, the radar records and the physical evidence that all suggested a strikingly different explanation of Flight 800's untimely demise. And those few who did question the government's version were made to look like fools or, worse, thrown in jail and prosecuted as criminals for meddling in an official investigation.

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29 posted on 11/13/2001 10:35:30 AM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
So let me get this right:

1. It is impossible for American Airlines to have an accident because they bear our country's name.

2. If an airplane crashes on the day after veteran's day it MUST be a slap against veterans

3. If an airplane crashes in or near New York when the UN is in session it is a secret message to the gathered world leaders...

4. Engines never malfunction or drop off of airplanes and nothing happens if a flock of geese gets sucked into one.

5. No government official has ever shot his mouth off before knowing the facts so It MUST be part of a cover up.

As far as you statistical predictions unless he has data to show it he shouldn't be making such outlandish statements about statistics. In any American city on any given day there are a thousand coincidences that go unnoticed because no great event happens, but if something ever did happen we would go "Isn't that strange...". Angel Shamya is full of bovine fecal matter.

30 posted on 11/13/2001 10:35:35 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps
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To: FresnoDA
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
31 posted on 11/13/2001 10:36:45 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Carlucci
Anybody else ever heard of this stuff. Is it real?

Could it be...cheese?

32 posted on 11/13/2001 10:36:47 AM PST by wysiwyg
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To: FresnoDA
5) The federal government is on record as saying the crash was "an accident" -- "some sort of engine failure"

What else can they say at this point? The plane crashed: If not known to be intentional, then the term accident certainly applies.

Engines separated from plane: I would call that an engine failure, wouldn't you? They're not there to provide forward motion anymore, that is a failure.

I am a staunch defender of questioning ones government, but this piece is really out there. If Miss Shamaya believes this was intentional, what facts does she offer to back up the claim? Answer: None. Good Lord, this happened a little over 24 hours ago, and she thinks that the government should have all the answers 20 minutes after the incident?

33 posted on 11/13/2001 10:37:02 AM PST by Hoosier Patriot
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To: FresnoDA
2) The airplane went down on Veteran's Day, a slap in the face of all Vets -- including those who are painting the Afghanistan desert floor with Taliban blood.

Actually, the plane went down the day after Veteran's Day, which was on Sunday.
35 posted on 11/13/2001 10:37:10 AM PST by aruanan
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To: mlo
Angela Shemaya = Michael Rivero following trans-gender surgery.
36 posted on 11/13/2001 10:38:59 AM PST by a6intruder
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To: mountaineer
See post 29 Mr. Reynolds!!!
37 posted on 11/13/2001 10:40:29 AM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
This is Tin Foil hat stuff with the exception of the vertical stabilizer. It was removed from the bay intact minus the rudder. I suspect the vertical stabilizer came off first, and the aircraft proceeded to tear itself apart.
38 posted on 11/13/2001 10:41:42 AM PST by wjcsux
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To: Poohbah
Take your complaints to Sierra Times, not me!!! Geezzz!!!!
39 posted on 11/13/2001 10:41:51 AM PST by FresnoDA
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To: Gumlegs
I am new to FR. Someone tell me what this talk is about tin foil hats and what not.
40 posted on 11/13/2001 10:42:00 AM PST by NC Conservative
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To: mountaineer
Here's a better explanation. There is a sale this week on Reynolds (c) aluminum foil at Safeway which has numerous grocery stores in California. Weekly sales at California supermarkets expire on Tuesdays, and this particular sale expires today. Coincidence? Unlikely!
41 posted on 11/13/2001 10:42:32 AM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: FresnoDA
Somebody's trying really hard to get on the Art Bell show.

This is one of the most putrified pieces of tripe I've read lately, even here, yet at first glance it almost appears to be logical. But so does a syllogism. ("Clouds bring rain. It's cloudy today. Therefore, it is raining.")

This could be a terrorist act, or not. But right now, when it takes the NTSB a minimum of three months to issue a final report on ANY such crash, to say "look at the calendar, look at the map, it CAN'T be an accident!" is borderline hysteria, something America can do without when some are freaking out over spilled Arm&Hammer baking soda.

But then, being a conspiracy theorist can be quite a comfortable life. Think about it: anyone who disagrees with you, for any reason, is ipso facto part of the conspiracy! Beautiful!

42 posted on 11/13/2001 10:43:24 AM PST by ihatemyalarmclock
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To: FresnoDA
I can't find one thing in this article that is actually ... TRUE!
43 posted on 11/13/2001 10:43:44 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Level Plasma
Note I never said it's what happened. I just think it's strange that an article was written about it relating to terrorists, that's all.

Here's a link for some info, just so I don't get totally lumped into the TinFoil crowd.

LME

Apparently, LME is a real occurence. But the question remains: Are there "Agents" that can cause it. (pun intended)

44 posted on 11/13/2001 10:44:41 AM PST by Carlucci
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To: FresnoDA
6) It was also NOT my birthday; a clear -slap in the face - message to me from these terrorist dogs that it would have been better for me if I had never been born.

7) It was scheduled to occur on the 12th, NOT the 13th! They were telling all of us that this was more than just Tuesday the 13th bad luck!

I'm tellin' you mon, it's in de cahds! Mmmm-Hmmmm... An ahm also warnin' ya darlin' you husban be messin' aroun on ya, too!

No, I don't trust the government, but I have better reasons to be suspicious than this steamin' load o' logic.

45 posted on 11/13/2001 10:45:51 AM PST by 70times7
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To: mountaineer
Where can I get a suit like that? Boots and gloves, too!
46 posted on 11/13/2001 10:46:41 AM PST by packrat01
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To: wjcsux

OK FOLKS, IF WE ARE GOING TALK FOIL, LET'S ROLL!!!


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September 11, 2001:  Mr. George Stephanopoulos, former assistant to President Clinton, on ABC TV with Peter Jennings in mid afternoon talked about the two situation rooms in the White House. 

Stephanopoulos: "There are facilities in the White House, not the normal situation room, which everyone has seen in the past, has seen pictures of. There is a second situation room, behind the primary situation room, which has video conferencing capabilities. The director of the Pentagon, the defense chief, can speak from a national military command center at the Pentagon. The Secretary of State can speak from the State Department, the President from wherever he is, and they'll have this capability for video conferencing throughout this crisis." 
"In my time at the White House it was used in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, in the aftermath of the TWA Flight 800 bombing, and that would be the way they would stay in contact through the afternoon. "    
Jennings: "Just a couple of short questions." (Asks if the president has any say about following Secret Service orders.)
(Editor's Note: The reference to "bombing" could have been a slip of the tongue, I am sure he meant to say shootdown.) 
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Senator Kerry On Larry King Live:  Tonight (9-11-01), Senator Kerry, who was on the Intelligence Committee until last year, includes Flight 800 along with the embassy bombings in discussing our reaction to terrorism! Transcript. new

Senator John Kerry on MSNBC Hardball w/ Chris Matthews (9/24/01 7:15pm E.S.T.)  "You know, we've had terrorism for a long time now. We've had the Achille Lauro, the Munich Olympics, the pipe bomb at the Olympics in Atlanta, the TWA 800, the bombing of embassies, and it's not going to disappear overnight."  Transcript new


James Kallstrom was quoted on network television yesterday as saying: "this is the first time since TWA 800," inferring that TWA was an act of terrorism.  (Editor's Note:  Mr. Kallstrom denied making any such statements today (9-17-01) when I asked him to comment on these reports.)  If anyone has video tape of Mr. Kallstrom's comments, please contact ARAP so we can get a verified transcript.  

Kallstrom on CBS with Dan Rather, 9-11-01:  "We need to stop the hypocrisy, not that hypocrisy got us to this day. I'm not saying it did. But this is serious business, and--and those of us in law enforcement over the years and intelligence work over the years didn't know what day this would happen, hoped it would never happen, but thought surely some day, it might happen." Transcript new


MSNBC interview by Brian Williams with Mr. Isaac Yeffet, the former Director of Security for El-Al Airlines, 9/28/2001 at approximately 8:30 pm, ET.

       Brian Williams:  "Do you think the US is still under the threat of terrorist hijackings, of aircraft being used as flying bombs?  With your knowledge of the terrorism business, do you think they won't just move on to another mode of delivering terror?" 

      Isaac Yeffet (English is not his first language):  "We thought in the past, in the '70's, that what happened with the US air carriers, this would be the end of the terrorist attack.  Look what happened since Lockerbie, PanAm103?  What happened to TWA 800?  Look now what happened?  Who can guarantee us that the terrorists will decide no more attacks in the US, unless somebody will tell me that we took control over the terrorist organizations and we let them know that here, they cannot come."  


Boston's WRKO (680AM) whose featured guest was a man by the name of Isaac Yeffet who is the former security head of El Al.  At one point he was asked about the Russian plane just downed in the Baltic Sea with the conjecture that it was a terrorist attack. He stated that it wasn't a terrorist act because it left from Israel. He said it was probably a missile. Minutes later ABC broke in with the info that it is now believed that a SAM missile may have been responsible.  But back to my main point.....Mr. Yesset listed terrorist attacks against the U.S. and he included TWA 800. He was later questioned about that...and he said there was no question in his mind that there was no mechanical failure, that it was a terrorist attack. 


WorldNetDaily - Shippers on Metcalf Today - 10-15-01    NetTalkDaily 8:00 pm ET


CNN Cops out on Jack Cashill Interview and Video


Aviation Week Poll - Are you satisfied that the NTSB Report correctly identified the cause of the TWA800 Crash?  Results = 66.4% NO, 33.4% Yes 

Breaking News

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WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Haunting evidence of missile attack   5-31-01 
New video documentary makes compelling case for shootdown
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Silenced: Flight 800 and the subversion of justice,  Part 1 - 6-4-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Silenced: Flight 800 and the subversion of justice,  Part 2 - 6-5-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Silenced: Flight 800 and the subversion of justice,  Part 3 - 6-6-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Silenced: Flight 800 and the subversion of justice,  Part 4 - 6-7-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Silenced: Flight 800 and the subversion of justice,  Part 5 - 6-8-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - My Flight 800 "Experience" -6-11-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - TWA 800 Controversy Heats Up -6-25-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Flight 800 Expert on Metcalf -6-26-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - The Cover-up Begins to Unravel -6-29-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - The Cover-up Begins to Unravel -7-1-01
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Unraveling the Cover-up -7-2-01
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Fateful Four Seconds - 7-9-01
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Feds Keep Voice Recorder Data Hush Hush - 7-11-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - The Collapse of American Journalism -7-20-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Imaginary Flagpoles -7-23-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Exploding Hypotheses Part I - 7-26-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Exploding Hypotheses Part II- 7-27-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Justice Department Rips Flight 800 Video - 8-8-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Demise of the TWA Flight 800 Cover-up?-8-8-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Filmmaker Responds to Justice -8-9-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - An Open Letter to John Ashcroft - 8-10-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - The Incredible Shrinking Climb - 8-13-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Cracks Appear in Fuel Tank Charade -8-16-01
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Government Critic Dies of Brain Tumor -8-24-01
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - The Fight Goes On - 8-25-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - TWA800 Reporter Sees Media Hypocrisy -8-29-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Exposing the FBI's Red Herring - Part 1 -8-30-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Exposing the FBI's Red Herring - Part 2 -8-31-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - The Media's Selective Outrage - Part 1 -8-30-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - New Dog, Old Tricks - 9-1-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Inconvenient Facts - 9-5-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - It Could Have Been Worse - 9-17-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - The "Bombing" of Flight 800 - 9-17-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Deception for Dollars - 9-21-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - How Gore Aborted Air Safety - 9-24-01
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - The Real Enemies - 9-27-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Fight Yes, Number No - 10-1-01
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Why John Kerry Talks about Flight 800 - 10-1-01 
WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Will US imitate Israel's Airline Screening? - 10-3-01

WorldNetDaily Exclusive - The Real Bin Laden -10-8-01 

Bin Ladenbin Laden:  The man who declared war on America - Bodansky, 1999  
Excerpt from page 325 :
"The Islamist terrorists did not arrive lightly at considerations of using weapons of mass destruction. International terrorism is in the midst of a quest for the super spectacular terrorist strike.  There is a growing urgency among the terrorism-sponsoring states to strike out at the heart of the West - especially the United States - and to be able to terrorize the Americans and their Allies.  The case of TWA 800 served as a turning point because of Washington's determination and to a great  extent ability to suppress terrorist explanations and float "mechanical failure" theories.  To avoid such suppression after future strikes, terrorism sponsoring states must raise the ante so that the West cannot ignore them. "

Editors Note:  This book was published in 1999 and has been listed on this website since that time.  His description of "raising the ante" has a chilling ring after the World Trade Center attack.  When viewed in the context of current events and with 100 eyewitnesses seeing a missile, does anybody really think that Flight 800 was not a terrorist act?

WorldNetDaily - Why Airline Security Failed - 10-9-01  

WorldNetDaily - Satellites Tell the Truth - 10-13-01  

WorldNetDaily - Shippers on Metcalf Today - 10-15-01   NetTalkDaily 8:00 pm ET  -  Transcript 10-23-01

WorldNetDaily - Middle East - OKC Connection -10-20-01 new

WorldNetDaily - Middle East - OKC Connection - 10-21-01 new

WorldNetDaily - Time to Come Clean - 10-29-01 new

WorldNetDaily - Why We Were Caught Off Guard - 11-1-01 new

WorldNetDaily - Ossama's Nuclear Bomb - 11-8-01 new

WorldNetDaily - Clinton Blames America - 11-9-01 new

WorldNetDaily - Kallstrom's Quest for Redemption - 11-12-01new

WorldNetDaily - Thinking the Unthinkable - 11-13-01new

Index of other WorldNetDaily articles on Flight 800 


4 Seconds Missing from Flight 800 Data Recorder
Summary of Flight Data Recorder analysis by FDR Expert Glen Schulze
Full Analysis Now Available
Its Only Timing - by Jack Seaman - 4-3-01 
CVR Deceit? - by Jack Seaman - 5-11-01 

Current News & Information

WTC Plot Known Since 1995 - 9-20-01 new
Calendar Showed Plane Crashing Near Manhattan -NewsMax-9-27-01 new
The Crash of TWA Flight 800 - by Ian Goddard Part I
The Crash of TWA Flight 800 - by Ian Goddard Part II
The Crash of TWA Flight 800 - by Ian Goddard Part III
or "The Evolution of the Truth"
Newsday - Clinton "Visibly Shaken" - 7-19-1996 
New York Times - Jet's Landing Gear is Said to Provide Evidence of a Bomb - 7-31-1996 
New York Times - Fuel Tank's Condition Makes Malfunction Less Likely - 8-14-1996 
New York Times - F.B.I. Says 2 Labs Found Traces Of Explosive on T.W.A. Jetliner - 8-24-1996 
New York Times - New Focus on Malfunctions In Inquiry on T.W.A. Crash -9-19-1996 
Where are They Now? Robert Francis - 9-5-01 
News Channel 12 - Families Joint Lawsuit -9-6-01 
Airport Security Reinforced - 9-12-01
FAA Approves Goodrich 737 Wire Separation System -9-13-01 
Letter to a Madman - 9-12-01
Arm Pilots - 9-12-01 
Free Handgun Training offered to Airline Pilots -9-12-01 
The Price We Pay - Adam Mayblum -9-12-01 
Open Letter to a Terrorist - Charles Brennan, 18 - 9-13-01 
Who Did It? - An Alternative Report from Janes's Defense Report - 9-19-01 
WorldNetDaily - "Adding to U.S. concerns, several hundred U.S. shoulder-held anti-aircraft weapons ('Stingers') are still at large in Afghanistan," said the report, "and – because of bin Laden's financial resources – it is highly likely he has acquired some of them." -9-19-01 
Weather Forecast for the Mid East: Forecast weather for Kabul, Karachi, Baghdad and Damascus for the week of 9/24/2001: Very brief period of extremely bright sunlight followed by variable winds of 2000 knots and temperatures in the mid to upper 6000 degrees range with no measurable moisture. SPF 12000 sun block highly recommended if standing near an outside structural wall of less than one meter thick. Have a nice day Mr. Bin Laden Military History Lesson - Dr. Tony Kern, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) -9-14-01 
NewsMax.com - Feds TWA 800 Theory Crashes - 8-9-01 
FOIA Appeal to NTSB - by Capt. Ray Lahr -9-24-01 
Washington Post - Land Mines, Aging Missiles Pose Threat - 9-25-01 
Attack on America -9-11-01 
Letter to CNN - by Al Mundo -9-25-01 
International Herald Tribune - What About the Taliban's Stingers?  -9-26-01 
bin Laden Photo Op -9-27-01 
FOIA Appeal to NTSB - by Capt. Ray Lahr - 9-27-01 
AP-Ukraine Denies Downing Russian Plane - 10-4-01 
CNN - Russian Jet Hit by Missile - 10-4-01 
NewsHour - Airport Security - 9-12-01 
E-Mail from an Ensign - 10-5-01 
Satirist View of Terror Attack -10-5-01   Requires PowerPoint to view.  If you don't have PowerPoint, click here to download PowerPoint Viewer.

Message from Boeing -10-5-01  Requires PowerPoint to view.  If you don't have PowerPoint, click here to download PowerPoint Viewer.
Letter to the Washington Post from Reed Irvine - 10-5-01 
Pataki Taps Kallstrom -10-10-01 

Letter To NTSB Managing Director Daniel Campbell -10-9-01 

New York Times - Terrorism Arrests -10-11-01 

Suffolk Life (Long Island) Editorial - 10-3-01 

AviationWeek - FAA: A Failure of Aviation Security - 10-8-01 

Wired News - FBI Warns of "Skyfall" Attack - 10-12-01 

ABC - Missile Blamed for Crash - 10-12-01  "According  to Ukrainian media reports, metal fragments similar to shrapnel contained in the missile's warhead, were found in victims' bodies and in the body of the plane."  Editor's Note:  Maybe this is why the FBI won't release the Medical Examiner's Report on the Flight 800 victims.  

Chicago Tribune - Americans Facing Missile Made in the USA - 10-21-01

Accuracy in Media - Less Freedom of Information - Reed Irvine - 10-25-01 

Critique of On-Line Journalism Course - 10-26-01 

Fuel Tank Explosiveness - 10-26-01 

Iraq Connections to U.S. Extremists - 10-30-01

Full Text of Terror Guide - 11-4-01 new

FOIA Appeal to NTSB General Counsel from Capt. Ray Lahr - 11-5-01 new

FOIA Appeal to NTSB General Manger from Capt. Ray Lahr - 11-6-01 new

Encyclopedia of Terror Revealed - Sunday Times - 11-4-01 new

American Airlines Plane Crashes in New York - 11-12-01 new

Megadata Announces Flight Path Replay for AA Flight 587 - 11-12-01new

AP - Plane Crashes Near Kennedy Airport - 11-12-01 new

AP - List of Major Plane Crashes - 11-12-01new

Flight 587's Last Known Position, Altitude and Speed Information From the PASSUR System Is Released - 11-12-01new

Major Plane Crashes in the last 20 Years - 11-12-01new

Air Disaster.com - 11-12-01new

Eyewitness on a boat:  "I heard a POP then the wing fell off and hit the whole tail wing came off then it nosed right down when stabilizer fell off it bellied over and nosed straight down" 11-12-01new

Former NTSB Official Doubts Accident Caused Flight 587 Crash - 11-12-01new

NewsMax - The Ghost of TWA 800 - by Christopher Ruddy -11-13-01new

Air Roulette Anyone? -11-13-01 new



CNN Story the day after Flight 800 Crashed - 7-18-1996  Editor's Note:  Notice the similarities between current events and Flight 800.  Witnesses said Flight 800 "Dropped like a Rock".  The CIA would later claim witnesses seeing streaks saw the plane climbing and burning.  Janet Reno admitted they had two claims of responsibility, claiming a "Jihad".  Later the press would be told there were no claims of responsibility.  Spin Control?
Newsday - Air Security Poses Difficult Choices - 7-26-1996 
Time International - Keeping the Skies Safe - 7-29-1996 

FBI Internal Memo showing two missile launch points - 10-14-96 new

Terrorists Smuggled Missiles into America - 8-25-96 new

Cockpit's Tangled Remains Leave Investigators Puzzled -8-5-01 new


Update Record - Check here for a history of past updatesnew
 Archives- Check here for past articles

Warning Areas

Warning Areas - Investigation shows existence of Aviation Warning Area, but No Nautical Warning Area.  In fact, there is a major shipping channel directly under the W-105 warning area.  This undermines the friendly fire theory, which hypothesizes that ships entering this area prove there was a Navy exercise progress.
Warning Areas: Definition from the FAA & Statement by CDR. Donaldson - Much has been made about the existence or nonexistence of Navy ships in the vicinity of TWA Flight 800 at the time of the crash.  The proximity of the crash to FAA Warning Area W-105 has led some to believe that the crash was the result of a Navy exercise gone bad.  The Navy has denied that any of its ships were in the area.  Others point to the radar data and claim it is evidence of a "fleet" entering W-105.  W-105 and W106 are FAA Warning Areas only.  These areas do not show up on nautical charts and a check with the US Coast Guard confirms that there are no military warning areas anywhere off the south coast of Long Island.  Further reviews of "Notices to Mariners" confirm that there were no maritime exercises scheduled in the immediate vicinity of W-105 & W-106 in the month of July, 1996.  These same Notice to Mariners show scheduled firing exercises off the coast of MASS, but nowhere near Long Island.  It is clear from this review that W-105 and W-106 are Aviation Warning Areas only, so any implication that radar showing ships entering the area proves they were Navy ships, is clearly inappropriate. CDR. Donaldson believes that the radar data could just as easily show commercial and sport fishermen out fishing and nothing more. You decide. 1-25-01 
Nautical Chart of Crash Area   1-20-01 
Aeronautical Chart of Crash Area  1-20-01 
Chart Showing Location of Military Exercise Area on 7-17-96  - 1-25-01
Updated Plot of Crash Site with Radar Overlay - Shows boats & aircraft in the vicinity of the crash.  Plots are from 11 minutes before the explosion until 14 minutes after the explosion.  The data comes from raw NTSB radar data originally released under FOIA and now publicly available on NTSB CD dated August 2000

ARAP's Interim Report - July 16, 1998
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers Final Report   The IAMAW, an official Party to the investigation, issued its final report to the NTSB and their conclusions as a result of their participation in the investigation.  An excerpt: 

Click here to for the Highlights or the Full Report.


Boeing Releases its Report to the NTSB - pdf format - 547 K  - 5-10-00
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers Final ReportFull Report.
International Aviation Industry - Aircraft Fuel System Safety Program Report -8-16-00
Airline Pilots Association - Submission to the NTSB on TWA Flight 800 (4.9mb) -4-30-00
TWA Submission to the NTSB
NTSB Witness CD and Eyewitness Group Report
Supervisor of Salvage Report
Missile Impact Analysis 1.5mb pdf, gif 688 kb - China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center -12-97
Wing Fragmentation - Exhibit 7A Appendix A3
NTSB Website - Documents for Final Hearing -8-22-00
Transcript of Jim Hall's Statement at Final Hearing- 8-22-00 
NTSB Final Report - Full Report (7.6M), Appendixes (8.9M), Abstract
NTSB Releases Eyewitness Database - Database identifies location of each witness
Witness Summary - pdf file
Witness Geography - pdf file
Witness Coordinates - pdf file
Witness Database - excel file
NTSB Releases Accident Investigation Manual
Accident Manual - Volume 1 - Acrobat Format, MSWord Format
Accident Manual - Volume 2 - Acrobat Format, MSWord Format
Accident Manual - Volume 3 - Acrobat Format, MSWord Format
Accident Manual - Volume 4 - Acrobat Format, MSWord Format

ARAP's Interim Report - July 16, 1998

Evidence of FBI Missile Search - April 5, 1999

The Persecution of James Sanders - April 5, 1999

Subcommittee on Aviation - May 6, 1999, 9:30 am

C-Span Coverage of AIM Press Conference - August 27, 1999

Radar Analysis- December 23, 1999

Congressman Traficant - Updated February 3, 2000

Eyewitness Statements

Missile-Like Sightings Around Long Island
Animation of Several Missile Sightings - by Ian Goddard - 7-17-01 
Full Size Animation  - If animation does not work - click here
Detailed list of other Missile Sightings around Long Island - by Mike Hull -7-19-01 
Witness 649 made this drawing for the FBI and it clearly shows an object heading in the opposite direction of Flight 800 (west) , impact the aircraft and then the entire wreckage falling to the east.  Click on the picture to see an animation.

Animated Drawing of Witness 649's Sketch - Courtesy of Ian Goddard 7-17-01  231k 
 If animation does not work - click here
 

The Case of Witness 649 - Debunking the NTSB & CIA Theories


August 15, 2000.  The Washington Times carried a full page ad from the TWA 800 Eyewitness Alliance demanding that they be heard.  The ad claims that the FBI and NTSB have lied to the American public and that hundreds of people witnessed a missile shoot down Flight 800. It concludes: "We, the eyewitnesses know that missiles were involved.  We don't know who launched them, but we know that for some reason our government has lied and tried to discredit all of us to keep that question from being addressed." ... "The claim that our evidence is worthless is false and we want to know who is behind it.  Hundreds of us SAW what happened.  The FBI, the CIA and the NTSB must not be allowed to get away with this cover-up by defamation of the eyewitnesses.  We appeal to those who know why this is being done to share their information with us.  Confidentiality is guaranteed. 
FIRO - Witness Sketches - 12-22-00
The Flight 800 Researchers Organization has published an article on the many eyewitnesses who actually drew sketches of what they saw.  This is very enlightening reading. 
New Witness Sketch located - Previously "Lost" By FBI - 12-26-00 
The Expert Witness Radio Show  -  TWA 800 Revisited  -  December 2000
Mike Levine interviews 3 witnesses who SAW rockets take down the flight of TWA-800. For
more information on this topic, see the interview with Rodney Stich page.
http://www.expertwitnessradio.com/audio/expertwitnesstwa800.ram
Press Release on NTSB Lawsuit  -5-10-01
The Mega Society - Witness Sketches Contradict Officials - by Ian Goddard -4-9-01 
Lines of Sight - Witness 649 and the NTSB's Final Report - by Tom Shoemaker - 3-19-01
An excellent and detailed analysis of how the NTSB screwed up the evaluation of Witness 649.
NTSB Witness CD and Eyewitness Group Report

Eyewitness Highlights - Selected Accounts from the 755 reports
(To read the full witness report, click on the underlined title)

NTSB Releases Eyewitness Database - 
Database identifies location of each witness
Witness Summary - pdf file
Witness Geography - pdf file
Witness Coordinates - pdf file
Witness Database - excel file

NTSB Eyewitness Analysis by Mike Hull

Triangulation of Eyewitness Sightings

Click here for an updated version of the Eyewitness Triangulation (pdf)Gif Version.
Location of missile firing points by FBI.  Full FBI Report (pdf 1,187k)
Map showing FBI Plot of "Shooter Locations" (gif Map 48k) (pdf Map 50k)

NTSB Eyewitness Group Factual Report - Exhibit 4A  (html version)

Relevant data from the Eyewitness Group Factual Report:

  • Based on the data, 183 witnesses said they saw a streak of light, 201 said they saw one or more explosions, 100 said they heard one or more explosions, and 339 said they saw a fireball.
  • Of the 183 who observed a streak of light, 102 gave information about the origin of the streak.  Six said the streak originated from the air, and 96 said that it originated from the surface.  Of the 96 who said it originated from the surface, 40 said it originated from the sea and 10 said it originated from land.
    One hundred and twenty-eight witnesses reported an immediate end to the streak, 85 described it ending in an explosion, 32 said it ended in a fireball, and 11 said it ended in a flash.
Exhibit 25 - List of eyewitness statements from Interim Report 
Lisa Perry Sighting of Military Warship - Exhibit 35 -  11-18-98
Drawing of Warship sighted by Lisa Perry From Jane's Fighting Ships - 11-18-98
Photos of Warship from Jane's Fighting Ships - 11-18-98
Eyewitness Statement of Paul Angelides - 32 k - 7-28-98
Aphrodite's Encounter with mysterious boats 
3 minute Streaming Video recreation (389k) of witnesses Gipe and Angelides view of the crash
- requires RealPlayer - 11-21-98, Download video file (389k)
Full 10 minute Streaming Video recreation of witnesses Gipe and Angelides view of the crash - requires RealPlayer - 1,295k - 11-22-98 Download Video File
Eyewitness report of Captain McClaine - 5-24-1999
Eyewitness interview by Richard Hirsch - 7-16-99
NTSB Eyewitness Group Factual Report Exhibit 4A - Not publicly released by NTSB  -9-2-99
E-Mail from an Eyewitness

Radar Analysis

RadarPlotRadar Analysis - Shows missile impact & proves eyewitnesses did not see "Flight 800 in various stages of crippled flight".  The eyewitnesses saw a missile!

Radar of Additional Boats in the area of the crash of TWA Flight 800(16k pdf file) Speed in knots indicated on graphic

Letter to NTSB Chairman Hall - 2-19-00 html version of letter.

Exhibit 22cAnalysis of NTSB Exhibit 22c -  The recently released radar data has been compared with the NTSB's trajectory study in Exhibit 22c and a careful analysis shows that Exhibit 22c is internally inconsistent. Two different graphs in Exhibit 22c show widely different times for Flight 800 to be in the air.  The graph (figure 10) which shows the CIA/NTSB simulation of the aircraft climbing (like a streaking missile) shows the aircraft was airborne for more than 53 seconds. The graph (figure 18) which shows the radar track from the Islip ASR-8 radar shows 9 radar hits which equal 42.2 seconds.  A careful sweep by sweep analysis of the raw radar data has shown that there were only 8 radar hits which equals 37.5 seconds.  This leaves more than 15 seconds unaccounted for.  If the aircraft fell in a ballistic arc from the initial explosion, it would have hit the water after 8 radar sweeps.  If the aircraft did a "zoom climb" as postulated by the CIA and NTSB simulations, it would have been at 15,000 ft or 8,000 ft. after Sweep 8 and should have still been visible on radar for another 16 seconds, or 3-4 radar sweeps.  It was not.  Because it was already in the water.

Analysis of Exhibit 22c in gif format.  Page 1Page 2. Added 2-17-00

E-Mail to Dennis Crider - NTSB - Questions about Exhibit 22c anomalies

Response from Bernard Loeb - NTSB - Director of Aviation Safety

Raw Radar Data Files - Zip Format new

Stinger
Man Portable Air Defense System (MANPADS)
"Since initial deployment Stinger has, in combat, defeated more modern fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters than any other fighter, helicopter or missile system worldwide since the Second World War."  Jane's Defense Weekly

See Jane's Defense Weekly description of the Stinger Capability - 10-19-00
How many Stingers does bin Laden have? - 10-8-99 

 


Military Stinger Test looks a lot like what the Eyewitnesses Described 

Stinger enroute--------->Stinger Impact Explosion---------->Fuel Fireball
Stinger in flight appears as streak, at impact as a white flash.   Burning fuel is orange.
Many eyewitnesses described "streak of light", leaving a "white smoke trail", which terminated in a "bright white flash", that subsequently evolved into two "yellow/orange smoke trails" or fireballs.
CDR. Donaldson's Comments on the Stinger Missile Test

Memorials


The Families of TWA Flight 800, Inc. 

List of Passengers & Crew members of Flight 800

A Tribute to the Crew of TWA Flight 800

Mark Berry's Song to Susanne

Donations to Flight 800 Charities

Memorial for Ana Duarte-Coiner

Other Sites

Web site Road map - Excellent list of sites NTSB Public Hearing Files
The Science of the TWA 800 Investigation TWA Flight 800 Disaster: Cover-up?
Families of TWA Flight 800 web page Flight 800 discussion list
The "Hull Thread" The Plane-Truth
Flight 800 Investigation Papers - Hirsch Webjump Flight 800 Site
TWA 800 Case Core- Ian Goddard The Winds - Articles on TWA Flight 800
TWA Flight 800 Case Files - Shoemaker TWA Flight 800 Information Center - Harris
The Free Republic - TWA Flight 800 Altered Evidence- James Sanders website
Press-Enterprise TWA Flight 800 Site CrashPages.com - TWA Flight 800
Long Island Newsday - TWA Flight 800 Aviation Safety Network

Letters

Fuel Flammability

Books on Flight 800

videos

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47 posted on 11/13/2001 10:47:36 AM PST by FresnoDA
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Does anyone remember what the terrorist were at first planning, before the 9/11 attack? American airplanes flying out of US with bombs on them heading for other countries and they would go off when over water?
48 posted on 11/13/2001 10:48:54 AM PST by gopgirl
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To: FresnoDA
Wow. That is REALLY annoying...
49 posted on 11/13/2001 10:49:01 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: NC Conservative
Tin is reflective and keeps damage from mind altering rays to a minimum.

What not is hard to explain, no one really knows what it is because its not.

50 posted on 11/13/2001 10:49:30 AM PST by DainBramage
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