In Phoenix, We're Terrorists!

Sierra Times/KABA ^ | 14 Nov 01 | Self

[JRadcliffe]

Like a true brainless puppet, you parot the Big Brother lie!

You brainless wonders are a joke.

[Poohbah]

Travis, please note that "defenders" is in quotes.

Just because someone loudly postures as, or sincerely believes he is, a defender of the Constitution does not make him one in fact. McVeigh probably thought he was defending the Constitution. The folks in the ACLU probably think they're defending the Constitution.

Like all things, discriminating judgement is required here to separate obnoxious jerks like the ACLU or a "nonviolent" Christian Identitist (who, IMNHO, are about as non-violent as Muslims :o) from the Earth Liberation Front or The Brotherhood.

The problem is that we've all been conditioned by the media to not be "judgemental" or "discriminating," so we've lost the ability to say that Christian Identity folks aren't Christian, that "defenders" of the Constitution may not be real defenders of the Constitution, and that some of the people who are supposedly on our side are scumbags. (Just because he's OUR scumbag doesn't make him any more palatable. But that's me being judgemental and discriminating, like all those dead white guys who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.)

[JRadcliffe]

"The entire military swears to defend the consitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

The military no longer does this. They mindlessly follow the orders of their masters. In times past, this may have been acceptable, but not now -- not when we have people in EVERY OFFICE of the federal system who show nothing but contempt for it.

[Jeff Head]

I am very interested in knowing if this is a localized phenomenae (ie. a Clinton era hold-over) or if it represents a test case for a general attitude/policy.

While many of the criteria are understandable, clearly, the part about using particularly these criteria to "assist uniformed officers in identifying potentital domestic terrorists" is extremely conerning:

• Defenders of US Constitution against the government or UN.
• Para-Militray training.
• Request authority for stop.
• Make numerous references to the U.S. Constituion.

If this is an attempt to establish a general policy regarding profiling people using particularly these criteria and then applying the "Patriot Act" and other Anti-Terrorism provision against them ... it is sure to lead to unrest and out and out fighting IMHO.

If it is an isolated incident, they need to remove the people responsible and diavow this particular tract and replace it with one that does not contain these references at all IMHO.

[TLBSHOW]

"FBI Terrorist Brochures Fingers Right Wing Groups"

the rats finger freepers

[TLBSHOW]

You are right no more talk. Lets Roll.........These idiots are nuts!

[JRadcliffe]

"The FLEAs need to be purged top to bottom of Clinton era appointees, since most of them ARE literally "domestic enemies of the constitution"."

Oh Jesus H. Christ, you people will harp on Clinton 'til his dying day. He's gone, OK. He's history, OK. You should be more concerned with that EVIL Bush, who is carrying out the EXACT SAME POLICIES as the EVIL CLINTON administration.

Republicans and Democrats -- Democrats and Republicans -- they are EXACTLY the same. You're fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.

[Norb2569]

I sent this email:
Subj: Constitutional Terrorists
Date: 11/14/01 1:22:39 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Norb2569@al.com
To: complaints@mcso.maricopa.gov

This pamphlet you are publishing is treasonous. It is the duty of all Americans to protect and preserve the US Constitution against ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
This pamphlet places your organization in 'domestic enemies' category. Your record of law and order is smeared by this treasonous pamphlet. Please remove this from circulation at once.

Norb Logsdon
Orange Park, FL

[DaiHuy]

Didn't notice Black Muslims either.

[Dane]

Oh Jesus H. Christ, you people will harp on Clinton 'til his dying day. He's gone, OK. He's history, OK. You should be more concerned with that EVIL Bush, who is carrying out the EXACT SAME POLICIES as the EVIL CLINTON administration.

If this had been a Clinton flyer, there would be no reference to ELF or Black seperatists.

I can't help it if you think that "defender of the Constitution" types, like Timothy McVeigh are not terroists.

[Taxman]

Seems to be. Looks like we are going there, without a whimper.

[Verax]

Update...

faxed to CO reps and numberous Senetors (Barr, Helms, Campbell, etc)

[Verax]

Thanks for the help!

[George W. Bush]

I'd like to see some confirmation of this pamphlet. Something about it looks amateurish. I think it might be a hoax.

[Verax]

Excellent Norb...I've been getting tons of letters from Freepers who are Freeping...let's keep it up until we here Shepard Smith talking about it!

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality. " - Dante

[wwjdn]

Speak english it makes it easy to undestand what you are saying...

[philman_36]

I think it might be a hoax.
If it is a hoax someone is in big trouble for using that DOJ symbol. Don't know too many who would risk that if it were not real.
Time will tell won't it!
Seen all of the posts on this thread yet? I do believe it has already been shown to be real...post 106

[JRadcliffe]

"I can't help it if you think that "defender of the Constitution" types, like Timothy McVeigh are not terroists."

Get this through your thick head -- defending the constitution IS NOT an act of terrorism. Blowing up buildings is a terrorist act (only reserved for the US Government). They are TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE THINGS.

Some people!

[harpseal]

Unfortunately this disease among the Federal Law Enforcement types is not limited to the FBI or to only Clinton appointees. While there are many who are good hard working defenders of our Constitution and IMHO this constitutes an overwhelming majority. IMO a large number of them are first and foremost wedded to their jobs as defined by the culture of their agency. One of the essential principles of management is that corporations have a culture which is very resistant to change. Since 1960 the terror from the right has loomed large in the corporate culture of the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies. Agents were promoted becuase of a big civil rights bust. that is they got a Klansman or a neo-nazi. Agents were detached to the field office in Point Barrow for the winter if they came to close to some politically connected left winger.

I do not know that George W. Bush is working to change this culture but one can hope. If he finally is able to get the FBI fully focused on the very real threat from Islamic terrorists then perhaps a large part of this culture will change. Until then it hampers efforts in actrively pursuing leads.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[JRadcliffe]

"Speak english it makes it easy to undestand what you are saying..."

Of course, your lack of reading and comprehension skills have absolutely nothing to do with it -- sarcasm!