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Scientist stirs the cauldron: oil, he says, is renewable
Boston Globe | May 22, 2001 | David L. Chandler

Posted on 11/19/2001 10:07:24 AM PST by Aurelius

SCIENTIST STIRS THE CAULDRON: OIL, HE SAYS, IS RENEWABLE

David L. Chandler,

Globe staff Date: May 22, 2001 Page: A14 Section: Health Science

It's as basic as the terminology people use in discussing sources of energy: On the one hand, there are "fossil fuels," left over from the decayed remains of millions of years worth of vegetation and destined to run out before long; on the other hand, there are "renewable" resources that could sustain human activities indefinitely.

But what if fossil fuels aren't fossils, but are actually renewable and virtually inexhaustible? To most people, that question may sound as reasonable as asking what if down were up, or the XFL were a big, classy hit. But a handful of scientists, led by the unconventional and always-controversial astronomer Thomas Gold of Cornell University, state just that. Move over, dinosaurs, they say: Petroleum has as much to do with fossils as the moon has to do with green cheese.

Gold's claim, spelled out in a book just out in paperback as well as a talk at the Harvard Coop last week, challenges basic premises of the energy debate, from environmentalists' warning of oil's eventual decline to President George W. Bush's current talk about an energy shortage. Just dig deep enough, Gold says, and almost anyone can strike oil.

As one might expect, most mainstream petroleum geologists view this contrarian point of view with either scorn and derision, or the studied indifference reserved for flat-Earthers.

"We're very familiar with Tommy Gold," said Larry Nation, a spokesman for the American Association of Petroleum Geologists. Geologists in that field, he said, "are more open-minded than you might think. They're a pretty independent bunch, or there wouldn't be so many dry holes." But most of them draw the line at Gold's theory.

At least one successful natural gas geologist, though, has sided with Gold's unorthodox concept, which, in essence, goes like this: Far from being the product of decayed vegetation, petroleum is being manufactured constantly in the Earth's crust. It is made from methane, or natural gas, the simplest of all the hydrocarbon fuels, as it bubbles upward from the depths of the Earth where it has existed since the planet's formation more than 4 billion years ago.

As it rises, the methane is consumed by billions of microbes that exist in a dark netherworld where sunlight never penetrates. While all surface life depends on sunlight, this deep, hidden realm of life - dubbed by Gold as "The Deep Hot Biosphere," which is also the title of his book on the subject - lives on the chemical energy of the methane itself. The biological traces found in all petroleum, he argues, is derived from this hidden form of life, not from the decayed plants usually thought to be petroleum's source.

If Gold's theory is right, then the Earth's "reserves" of petroleum and natural gas may be hundreds of times greater than most geologists now believe. Oil wells that are pumped dry will simply refill themselves as more methane and petroleum works its way upward to fill the emptied spaces in the rock. This has already happened in a few places, geologists agree - something that is hard to explain by the conventional theory, but lends support to Gold's unorthodox view.

Gold's theory "explains best what we actually encountered in deep drilling operations," said Robert Hefner III, a natural gas geologist who has discovered vast gas deposits in Oklahoma over the last three decades, tapped by some of the deepest wells ever drilled. According to conventional theory, it should be impossible for petroleum or natural gas to even exist at such depths, because the pressure and the high temperatures should have "cooked" the hydrocarbons away, Hefner said in an interview yesterday.

Echoing Gold's view, Hefner said that astronomers have found hydrocarbons such as methane on virtually every planet and moon ever studied, as well as the far corners of the universe - places where the conventional view of hydrocarbons forming from decaying remains of living organisms couldn't possibly apply. "It's unlikely [oil on Earth and other planets] got there in two different ways. . . . It probably came from the same place, not from squished fish and dinosaurs."

Few people have been convinced so far. A single test of the theory has been carried out - a pair of wells drilled more than 3 miles deep in Sweden, with results generally seen as inconclusive. Gold had hoped to produce a commercial oil well, which might have cinched his case, but only a few barrels worth of oil came up. He attributes the poor showing to clogging by fine magnetite particles that he said are consistent with his theory.

But Gold is no stranger to being out on a limb with a scientific theory. In 1967, he suggested that newly-discovered pulsing sources of radio emission in the sky were actually rapidly-spinning collapsed stars, called neutron stars. The idea was considered so outlandish that he was not even allowed to speak at a scientific meeting on the subject. Less than a year later, however, his idea had been universally accepted, and remains the textbook explanation for what became known as pulsars.

Not all his ideas have been on target. His prediction that the moon was covered with such fine dust that astronauts might sink right in and be swallowed up once they set foot there caused NASA great - and ultimately unnecessary - anxiety. Gold, however, still maintains that his basic point, that the moon is covered mostly by fine dust rather than solid rock, was actually proved right.

If Gold turns out to be right about "fossil" fuels, then the world will be a very different place: Almost anyplace on Earth could become an oil producer just by drilling deep enough, and petroleum won't ever run out in the foreseeable future.

But nobody's betting on it at this point. "Most petroleum geologists don't agree with his theory," Nation said. "But it's fun to talk about."

David Chandler can be reached by e-mail at chandler@globe.com.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; energylist; hydrocarbons; realscience; thomasgold
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To: ladyinred
ping
101 posted on 11/19/2001 8:05:03 PM PST by chadsworth
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To: Aurelius
And petrified wood happens in an instant?
102 posted on 11/19/2001 8:18:41 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: zog
"A 1/2 mile wide methane bubble underneath, instead of good ole sea water. Whoops!"

It's more like the water gets saturated with methane, which takes the density of the water and greatly reduces it. As a result, something that would easily float on regular water is instead floating on a methane saturated water solution that is no longer dense enough to provide buoyancy, so it sinks. When the methane continues to rise up in the air it provides a hazard to passing aircraft, flying through a giant cloud of air and methane tends to make engines explode. This is the current theory of the Bermuda Triangle, and I'm thinking that it is a good theory. I don't know if it's right, but it sounds right. I would love to find some proof if it's true.

As far as the renewable oil theory goes, I think it is very interesting, and it seems a lot more likely to me than the old "decayed vegatation" theory we were all told in school. I'm looking forward to more evidence being presented over time.

103 posted on 11/19/2001 8:21:05 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Aurelius
REBEL STOP THE RULE OF THE SCIENTISTS

The most dangerous of all is BERNARD D. COLMAN

Who's he and why him in particular?

104 posted on 11/19/2001 8:22:34 PM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: NovemberCharlie
forget him
105 posted on 11/19/2001 8:27:40 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: NovemberCharlie
Spur of the moment personal thing that I shouldn't have done. Please forget it.
106 posted on 11/19/2001 8:32:47 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: Aurelius
If you say so.
107 posted on 11/19/2001 9:10:00 PM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: boris
Did you here the story about the guy who is driving along a country road beside an insane asylum when he gets a flat tire. He pulls over to change the tire and sees some of the asylum patients watching him. After taking off the flat, he spills the lug nuts out of his hub cap into deep grass and is unable to find a single one. One of the inmates says to him "Why don't you just take one nut off of each of the other three wheels to hold your spare until yu can get to a service station." The man is amazed and compliments the patient on the intelligence of his suggestion. The inmate replies: "Hey, I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid".
108 posted on 11/19/2001 9:13:36 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: NovemberCharlie
On the other hand, I think he already knows what I think of him.
109 posted on 11/19/2001 9:15:36 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I read about this guy years ago - and to date no one has been able to scientifically refute his claims. Firstly - where in the solar system have there been large enough concentrations of decaying organic matter to cause planetary atmospheres of methane? Seems like it would take one hell of a bunch of dinos to decay on the surface of Neptune to make a gas giant out of mostly methane. I know that there are plenty of chemists in here - tell me that high pressure, high temperature, combined with the entire periodic table for a menu can't make oil. (Much less that CH4 isn't very rare in the solar system.) And you geologists in here - plate tectonics require those plates to liquify in a subduction zone, right? What is the makeup of magma? Got hydrocarbons in it doesn't it?

So why is this guy's theory so hard to swallow? Doesn't anyone here remember back in the '70s when we were going to run out of oil "almost any day now"??? When that moron Carter decided that we all needed to wear those gay sweaters like he did to save fuel???

No, what this guy is proposing is strictly simple planetary mechanics at the fully integrated macro level - nothing outrageous. The REAL scam has been played on all of us by the oil companies who want to keep their product expensive, and the envirowackos who want to keep us scared to change our behavior and donate to their cause. Profit drives them both - science drives neither.

110 posted on 11/19/2001 9:35:20 PM PST by 11B3
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To: cinFLA
Some crude oil is under pressure. Some has to be pumped. The technology to get the remaining 60% that was left behind in the OK and TX fields is extremely expensive. Extraction from shale is also expensive.
111 posted on 11/20/2001 2:51:30 AM PST by Patria One
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To: zog
I think Putin knows that Russia's future is dependent on having access to cheap petroleum.
112 posted on 11/20/2001 2:54:17 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Looking for Diogenes
If the U.S. consumes roughly 17 million barrels every day

So unless oil is being reproduced at the rate of millions of barrels a day, the point is moot.

113 posted on 11/20/2001 4:57:38 AM PST by 74dodgedart
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To: tpaine
His point is that we will NEVER run out of methane/hydocarbons. We may have to drill very deep, but it is down there.

So we don't need to drill in ANWR, we just need to keep drilling deeper and deeper in our existing fields ?

114 posted on 11/20/2001 4:59:35 AM PST by 74dodgedart
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To: Aurelius
BTTT
115 posted on 11/20/2001 5:07:16 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: 74dodgedart
Drilling deeper in the producing fields we have now, or the ones recently depleted or uneconomic to keep extracting from, using the traditional methods. Now that really makes sense, if down much deeper is where the bulk of tha oil/natgas/me stuff is. We already are tapping the leaky points, those are identified. So it stands to reason just deeper there might hit the mother load, doesn't it? Question is how deep, is it possible with our technology? Can we ever get to say 20 miles deep, something like that? What would be the pressure and temps there, got to be awesome.

p.s. I actually used to own a 74 dart, with a slant six engine. Unquestionably the best basic transportation (sedan) I ever owned, hands down.

116 posted on 11/20/2001 5:58:48 AM PST by zog
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To: tpaine
His point is that we will NEVER run out of methane/hydocarbons. We may have to drill very deep, but it is down there.

His "Theory" is that we will never run out of hydrocarbons. He has no proof.

If he's right, the cost of fuel/oil will still go up sharply, because it cost far more the deeper you drill.

Sorry, but I don't buy the conspiracy that the oil industry belittles his theories because it might hurt them. If it's there, they will drill for it, but it will cost more, so we will pay more, and everyone will continue to bitch about the cost.

117 posted on 11/20/2001 7:42:26 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: zog
Question is how deep, is it possible with our technology? Can we ever get to say 20 miles deep, something like that? What would be the pressure and temps there, got to be awesome.

Current technology will get you about 5-6 miles down (extreme case), but the reserves don't get better just because you go deep.

I will never say that we can't get to 20 miles deep, but it will be far in the future. Temperatures are high, over 200 C, and the cost is astronomical, so there is no reason to go deep.

118 posted on 11/20/2001 7:59:23 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: 74dodgedart
So unless oil is being reproduced at the rate of millions of barrels a day, the point is moot.

No argument.

119 posted on 11/20/2001 8:06:32 AM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Richard Axtell
"The billions and billions of tons of plant-biomass material being accumulated and compressed in bogs and swamps became metamorphosed into peat, then lignite, bituminous, and finally anthracite coal. This makes sense as I have personally collected fern and plant fossils associated with coal mines in Illinois."

If coal is converted plant biomass, then why weren't the ferns and other plant fossils that you found in the coal, coal rather than fossils?

120 posted on 11/20/2001 8:18:06 AM PST by IWONDR
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