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"Will We Let the Real America Die?"
The Libertarian Enterprise ^ | Oct 22,2001 | L.Neil Smith

Posted on 11/22/2001 8:41:04 PM PST by redrock

"Will We Let the Real America Die?"

by L. Neil Smith

lneil@ezlink.com

Exclusive to TLE

All of my life I have wanted nothing more than simply to be proud of my country. Understand that -- believe it -- or nothing else you read here will make sense. All of my life -- and it's dismaying how long it took me to realize this -- I've been ashamed of my country, instead.

The first time I remember feeling this way was when it became clear that we would never know who killed Jack Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, and Martin Luther King. I'm no more inclined to conspiracy theories than anybody else (although I'll point out that our own Revolution began with five dozen anti-government terrorists meeting in what they later rechristened Independence Hall) but if you knew anything about ballistics, just to name one relevant field of endeavor, you knew that the official explanations of those murders amounted to no more than gibberish.

Then came Vietnam and with it more lies, evasions, and government lawbreaking than the average person in those days believed possible. Over seven long years, I learned that America was fighting an illegal, undeclared war in Southeast Asia to cover up a mess made by France and Great Britain (especially the latter), that it wasn't the first time nor would it be the last, and that the Brits have always been willing to fight bravely to the very last drop of Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, or South African blood. (Rent a copy of Gallipoli to see what I mean.) If they got to expend American blood instead, so much the better. And because the only great presidents are war presidents, Roosevelt's most successful protege, that murderous wallowing drunken pig, Lyndon Baines Johnson, was more than willing to go along with the gag.

World War II is another case in point. It isn't popular to say it these days, when Tom Hanks, Steven Spielberg, and Rush Limbaugh have rehabilitated one of the most unnecessary wars in human history, but the inescapable fact is that it was not a conflict between freedom and tyranny, but between competing brands of fascism. Look up the National Recovery Act of you don't believe me. It would never have happened at all if it hadn't been for the unfair, humiliating, and cripplingly burdensome Treaty of Versailles, imposed by the Allies on Germany after World War I. That arrangement virtually gave birth to World War II by making National Socialism seem like a good deal to the German people.

The excesses that followed were as much the fault of the Allies (who compounded their unutterable stupidity by letting the American Medical and Bar Associations lobby them into refusing to allow Jewish refugees -- meaning doctors and lawyers educated at Heidelberg and the Sorbonne -- to settle in America) as they were of the Axis. And if the war had gone worse in the Pacific, who can doubt that there would have been voices in Roosevelt's Administration demanding a "Final Solution" to dispose of thousands of unconstitutionally imprisoned Japanese Americans?

Think I'm exaggerating? Then I challenge you to look up Operation Keelhaul.

As for the First World War itself, and despite having read Barbara Tuchman's The Guns of August on more than one occasion, it's one of the few things in life that I agree wholeheartedly with Bob Dylan about:

World War One it came and it went ...

The reason for fighting, I never did get.

----

In spite of Woodrow Wilson's much-vaunted academic background (or more likely because of it), it appears to me that he was nothing more than an unsophisticated New World bumpkin, conned into sacrificing American lives in Europe by the continental four-flushers that his kind, suffering a perpetual cultural inferiority complex, secretly worship. In any case, thanks to a sack of lying collegiate excrement -- who'd been elected on the strength of his promise to keep America out of the war -- there were lots of kids, including a father that my father never got to know, who wouldn't be back when it was "over over there".

Simply to make the world safe for an Adolf Hitler.

All this prepared me (as much as anyone who wants to believe in something can be prepared) to learn the truth about the War Between the States and Abraham Lincoln. I've written about it elsewhere, how "Honest Abe" overthrew the principles of the American Revolution and killed 620,000 people in the name of keeping the federal Union bound together, whether it wanted to be bound together or not. Suffice it to say that the unsatisfied customers who think I enjoyed doing it don't know me. I'd be happier today if Lincoln had been revealed as someone worth admiring, instead of the homicidal megalomaniac he turned out to be.

In the end, however, as in the beginning, I am an individualist. It's more than just an ideological stance, it's the way I look at the world. I began to feel better when I realized that there are -- and always have been -- two separate and distinct Americas: my America, the America of Thomas Paine, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights; and another America, the America of Alexander Hamilton and his rapacious, bloodthirsty, cannibalistic descendants to whom power is more important than money or sex or food or any moral, ethical, or legal principle ever known to humankind, and who will do anything -- absolutely anything -- to obtain, enhance, and consolidate it.

I've been describing this pathology for years but I never thought a day would come when someone like George Bush would make someone like Bill Clinton -- who apparently likes sex more than power -- look normal. Then again I never thought I'd see the day when you simply aren't anybody, dahling, if you haven't been sent some anthrax in the mail. Bush is happily conducting an illegal, undeclared war that is an absolute dictator's delight -- a war that is exactly like the war on drugs which apparently provided insufficient excuses for snuffing out liberty once and for all -- a war that is completely open-ended, without realizable objectives or any criteria for drawing it to an end.

Because it never will.

There are plenty of people willing to believe that Bush lost the last general election, and no way to know for sure if he did or not. I was willing -- chiefly on account of the typical disgusting behavior of his opponent's supporters -- to give Bush the benefit of the doubt. But given his appallingly illegal conduct since September 11, I'm no longer willing to do that. I see him now as a man who's pulled off a coup d'etat from the inside, and -- using this Frankenstein's monster he's creating called the Office of Homeland Security, or more aptly, Heimatlandsicherheitsdienst -- is about to try to rule us through a junta.

Osama bin Laden is the Lee Harvey Oswald of our time. Nobody has ever offered any real proof he "did it". It doesn't matter whether he did or not. What's important is that the deed got done, supplying the Bush junta with everything it needs -- an excuse it's been impatiently awaiting for a decade -- to carry out what might be called a "security coup" and declare a phony war whose only purpose is to destroy what little Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt, and Johnson left of the Bill of Rights. Let me put this bluntly: if it continues, it's the end of America.

Freedom is not a privilege bestowed by a beneficent government, or a luxury to be confiscated whenever it's asserted that society can no longer afford it. Anyone who claims otherwise is your enemy, no matter how fiercely he denounces the nation's current foes or how sweetly he sings "America the Beautiful". Freedom is a basic necessity of life. Correction -- freedom is the basic necessity of life. If you doubt it, consider the 1930s, when Europeans were persuaded to give up their freedom, and over the next decade died in historically unprecedented numbers.

It's time for those who believe in being something other than "good Germans" to roll their sleeves up and go to work to save their country. Republicans must admit (to themselves) that they've put a low-key, blue-suited would-be fuehrer in the White House and do something about it. If they wonder what, they can ask Congressman Ron Paul.

(Some of our would-be fuehrers aren't so low-key. Take the "Mayor of America", New York's Republican gungrabber Rudy Giuliani, a liar and hypocrite who wouldn't recognize individual liberty if it came up and flicked him on the end of his pointy nose. The nasty little fascist pout you see on so many magazine covers these days, the phony tears, the pompous arrogance with which he demands that we take sides with him against the inconvenient Bill of Rights, reminds me so much of Benito Mussolini, I'm going to label him "Il Douchebag" from now on.)

Democrats must come to see that the reason the 2000 election map looked the way it did is because Americans are tired of having their liberty -- to speak freely, to obtain, own, and carry the means of self-defense, to keep every penny they earn, to drive the size and kind of car they want -- taken away bit by bit. They can read the Bill of Rights themselves. They understand what the Founding Fathers meant by it. They're less and less willing to be told otherwise by thugs in jackboots or lawyers wearing suits that cost more than the cars they love.

Democrats should go see Ron Paul, too -- after they've stripped Charles Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Hillary Clinton, Henry Waxman, Diana DeGette, and everyone else like them of their power, covered them in molasses and feathers, and run them out of the Beltway on a rail. More than anyone else, they're the evil culprits who made September 11 inevitable, and they are now making you their accessories after the fact.

Special notice to the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Rifle Association: you can play a big part in making America work again the way it was supposed to, but you'll have defend the entire Bill of Rights, not just the parts you're fond of. You got us into this mess, too -- mainly by pushing victim disarmament and the war on drugs -- and you have a lot to make up for. Start now, while it's relatively safe and easy. Before you know it, it won't be any more.

The tyranny of National Socialism lasted a dozen years; Germany was destroyed and had to be rebuilt from the ground up before it was over. The tyranny of the Soviets lasted 72 years and there's hardly anything left of Russia. A whole world was against those two regimes. Except for a few neolithic peasants squatting in caves, Bush's America is completely unopposed. How long will we have to suffer the tyranny he plans for us, how will we get out of it, and what will we have left?

Tell everyone you know, everyone you work with, do business with, go bowling with, that terrorism is a diffuse threat that can only be met with a diffuse defense. The way to combat terrorism, religious, state, or any other kind, is with individual human action. Individual human liberty. Tell everyone -- and keep telling them until they get it.

Don't vote for anybody -- Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Green, whatever -- who approves of the anticonstitutional acts being committed by the Bush regime. Instead, vote for anybody -- Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Green, whatever -- who opposes them. Make sure the politicians know about this policy. Write them letters and e-mail, call them, take out ads, do whatever you can. I belong to a generation -- and so do many of you -- who put an end to an ugly war in Southeast Asia that we didn't like, and we can damn well do it again.

It begins with a universal nationwide insistence on Bill of Rights enforcement. It continues in the creation of a genuine Bill of Rights culture. It ends in only one of two ways, the happier of the two being an enlightened culture in which the events of September 11 could never have happened because none of the potential victims were helpless. Or harmless.

The unhappier of the ways will ultimately make Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia look like civilized bastions of decency and freedom by comparison.

Those who do know me know that I'm not a pacifist or any kind of "peacenik" in the ordinary sense of the word. (Try reading a few of my books.) I opposed the war in Vietnam because I understood that Lyndon Johnson was a vastly greater threat to my life, liberty, and property than Ho Chi Minh could ever be, and I also insist on choosing my own enemies.

Yes, whoever attacked the Trade Towers, damaged the Pentagon, and killed thousands of innocent victims should pay for it with their lives. Many of them have been dead since September 11. Nor will I accuse Bush of having engineered those atrocities for the sake of power -- although there are plenty of writers doing exactly that right now.

I do accuse him, his father, and their vile cronies and allies of making totalitarian plans for us and then waiting, just like vultures on a cactus, for some horrific event that would appear to justify them.

Like World War II, this war won't be a struggle between decency and something else. It will be between religious terrorism and state terrorism, and there'll be no side in it for rational people to take. Items like Echelon and Carnivore -- ways the government spies on our e-mail -- demands to surrender our encryption keys, more warrantless searches and seizures, secret trials involving secret laws and secret evidence, means of peering through the walls of our homes or counting the change in our pockets, cameras on every street corner and metal detectors in every public place, all of these things have been in the works -- or in actual operation -- for years, their proud owners and operators biding their time until enough people had died to make them acceptable to a frightened population ruthlessly indoctrinated by the public schools and the mass media to have not an inkling of their rights.

It's indisputable that nothing -- absolutely nothing -- that Bush has done since September 11 is a truly appropriate response to what happened. He and his, in fact, have avoided things that must be done. Things like arming airline passengers and mandating national Vermont Carry. If they resent or deny what I've said here about them, let them reply with acts of good faith: let them put an end to the idiotic war on drugs and nullify every gun law in the county. Nothing less will suffice.

I say now -- you'll never know how much I dread saying it -- that it's time to let the Democratic and Republican Parties finish merging into the indistinguishable mush they are, abandon minor parties that haven't worked, and start putting together a real live Bill of Rights Party.

Will we let Tom Paine's America die, instead?

I say too -- although it's painful to do so -- that if, to remove the excuses being used to turn us into a replica of Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, justice had to remain unsatisfied in the matter of September 11, in order to save Tom Paine's America, it would be worth it.

When they send us to the camps, you tell me I was wrong.

L. Neil Smith is the award-winning author of more than 20 novels about individual liberty and the right to own and carry weapons. Read more than 80 articles and speeches: buy LEVER ACTION: ESSAYS ON LIBERTY, for $21.95+$6 S&H from http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/leveraction.html

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Some 'tough-love' sentences and thoughts here....

I guess you need to ask yourself if you TRULY believe in the Dream that is America.

You must ask yourself if you truly believe.......in ,as Ronald Reagan put it, the "Shining City on the Hill."

redrock

1 posted on 11/22/2001 8:41:04 PM PST by redrock
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To: tex-oma; Jeff Head; AuntB; Mercuria
BUMP....

redrock

2 posted on 11/22/2001 8:42:14 PM PST by redrock
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To: redrock
"I've been ashamed of my country, instead."

Lovely. Just in time for Thanksgiving

3 posted on 11/22/2001 8:44:00 PM PST by arielb
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To: redrock
Dear Neil,

The America you write of has been gone for almost 70 years and it won't be revived by writing passionate essays no matter how well written they are.

Almost noone alive remembers what it's like to live in freedom.

What we are living in is a uniquely American version of the Fall of the Roman Empire.

L

4 posted on 11/22/2001 8:45:00 PM PST by Lurker
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To: redrock
Have of what this character wrote is correct. The other half is nuts. The correct parts are insufficient to validate the nuts parts. NO SALE.
5 posted on 11/22/2001 8:47:59 PM PST by RLK
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To: arielb
Actually...Thanksgiving is a PERFECT time to think about it.

redrock

7 posted on 11/22/2001 8:50:34 PM PST by redrock
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To: RLK
Which half is which Bob?

Until you point out the difference between the two, you are engaging in an ad hominem argument which is far beneath you.

Get back to me when you have a chance to dissect the article in detail.

Regards,

L

8 posted on 11/22/2001 8:52:19 PM PST by Lurker
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To: Lurker
"What we are living in is a uniquely American version of the Fall of the Roman Empire."

Perfect way to phrase it...

But...there is still time to change the direction our Nation is heading.

Just need another Horatio or two...

redrock

9 posted on 11/22/2001 8:53:11 PM PST by redrock
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To: redrock
Naw, there isn't time. We ran out about a generation ago.

All that's left to come now is the Harvest Of Consequences.

Regards,

L

10 posted on 11/22/2001 8:55:53 PM PST by Lurker
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To: ouroboros
BUMP...

redrock

11 posted on 11/22/2001 8:56:01 PM PST by redrock
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To: redrock
I spent hours talking with L. Neil on GEnie in the mid 80s on the Writer's RT. I don't think he was quite this far out there back then. This essay made me mad, and I think it is a total distortion of what is really going on right now. I don't see us still fighting this war in 10 years. The regimes we are up against are far too unstable. Anything we do can only bring improvement. As far as the effects on our liberties of this war, I believe he is grossly exaggerating them. GWB is a Texan through and through and he isn't the enemy of the Bill of Rights.
12 posted on 11/22/2001 8:57:00 PM PST by ChemistCat
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To: redrock
The fact that L. Neil Smith, and anyone else in America, is completely free to write and post thoughts like this without fear puts to lie most of what he wrote.
13 posted on 11/22/2001 8:57:38 PM PST by yazd
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To: yazd
So far...he ,or anyone, is free to write whatever they want.

But with the 'New' laws.....how long before someone in government decides that this type of writing is 'terrorist'????

redrock

14 posted on 11/22/2001 9:00:11 PM PST by redrock
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To: yazd
RIGHT!
15 posted on 11/22/2001 9:00:41 PM PST by ChemistCat
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To: redrock
If we clean up the electoral system so that illegal aliens are not voting and other means of fraud are limited then when the government abuses its power we will change it through the ballot box.
16 posted on 11/22/2001 9:03:26 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Lurker
Agreed. If there ever was a "Real America", it's long gone. I'm rabidly patriotic and longing to see the destruction of our enemies only because the last best hope for Humanity is the continuation of this Republic.

We are the only only nation on Earth that has a chance of "waking up".

17 posted on 11/22/2001 9:04:37 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: redrock
Democrats must come to see that the reason the 2000 election map looked the way it did is because Americans are tired of having their liberty -- to speak freely, to obtain, own, and carry the means of self-defense, to keep every penny they earn, to drive the size and kind of car they want -- taken away bit by bit. They can read the Bill of Rights themselves. They understand what the Founding Fathers meant by it. They're less and less willing to be told otherwise by thugs in jackboots or lawyers wearing suits that cost more than the cars they love.

Ok, which election is he talking about and why didn't anybody tell me? The one I voted in resulted in a pretty even split between dems and repubs, with statistical noise for the Libertarians. How are the author's conclusions supported by this pattern?
18 posted on 11/22/2001 9:06:05 PM PST by Economist_MA
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To: redrock
Geez . . . I just hate it when someone makes so much sense that all I can say is DUHHHHHH !!!

Supurb article, redrock . . . here's a BIG PING in appreciation !!!

19 posted on 11/22/2001 9:08:23 PM PST by GeekDejure
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To: Economist_MA
Remember the red and blue areas??

I travel a LOT in the rural areas of this country....and I talk to a lot of citizens who feel just the way that paragraph sounded.

redrock

20 posted on 11/22/2001 9:11:35 PM PST by redrock
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To: Lurker
You know my views on Viet Nam from the LFCT. They run 200 pages. I can't recapitulate them here. I have little use for Woodrow Wilson. However, a war to make the the world safe for Adolf Hitler? That's complete distortion. My views on the domestic threat to personal rights and freedom are stated in the latest series.

I'm at the point where I can't post a lifetime of study, analysis, and experience in answer to every kook. It's an impossibility. There are times when I dismiss a piece, label it, them move on.

On another subject. You still have that tooth? You've been scarce around here. Does that mean you've become respectable?

Bob

21 posted on 11/22/2001 9:11:45 PM PST by RLK
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To: GeekDejure
L.Neil Smith DOES have a way with explaining ideas.....

redrock

22 posted on 11/22/2001 9:12:46 PM PST by redrock
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
"If we clean up the electoral system so that illegal aliens are not voting and other means of fraud are limited then when the government abuses its power we will change it through the ballot box."

Have you ever thought about an America where Fully Informed Juries exist? The jury is the final arbiter of which laws are worthy of enforcing, but the right to a jury has been perverted into the "right to a jury where they all agree with the judge, or they are excused, or their verdicts are set aside."

23 posted on 11/22/2001 9:12:51 PM PST by toenail
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To: ChemistCat
Then why is he demanding for himself the right to name who is and who isn't a 'terrorist' and then try and execute them without the benefit of counsel?

Why does he demand that search warrants be served without notice to the object of the search?

These aren't the actions of a person concerned about my civil rights.

L

24 posted on 11/22/2001 9:12:54 PM PST by Lurker
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To: yazd
The fact that L. Neil Smith, and anyone else in America, is completely free to write and post thoughts like this without fear puts to lie most of what he wrote.

Well, for starters, you might consider the following . . .

"Ideas are more powerful than guns. If we don't let our people have guns, why should we let them have ideas."
--Josef Stalin

25 posted on 11/22/2001 9:17:45 PM PST by GeekDejure
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To: redrock
I agree with you and see the same, but it doesn't fit too well with the article above. After all, the rural areas went strongly to the candidate the author describes as some form of mini-Hitler.
26 posted on 11/22/2001 9:19:10 PM PST by Economist_MA
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To: redrock
We are slowly losing our freedoms (or already lost them), as many others have commented here.

Try driving fast down a sparsely traveled highway on a clear day with your own car on roads you paid for. You'll get pulled over and have to pay even more money to the state (as if gas taxes, tolls, driver's license fees, etc... aren't enough). That's if your lucky. In some states, you can go to jail for exceeding the speed limit by a certain amount.

Try starting a new business. You have to worry about literally hundreds of thousands of laws and regulations. There are so many rules, you're bound to be guilty of something, so your only hope is to not piss off the 'powers that be'. Even if you be a "chump" and succeed in this, there is always the problem of civil lawsuits by parasitic ambulance chasers who can and will take everything you own.

Try carrying a gun. Here in Florida, it is a FELONY to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. It's also illegal to carry openly, even with a permit. Simply exercising your rights is enough to ruin your life. It's even worse in other states.

Try talking about God in a public school. Expect to be suspended if you're a student, or have "child services" called to investigate.

Try talking about the Constitution to anyone in "authority". They'll look at you like you are crazy if they don't laugh in your face.

The list is endless, and anyone could go on with more examples. But the bottom line is that Freedom has been an extremely rare thing throughout history, and ours is slipping away under the guise of "majority rule" and "safety". Tyrants and traitors have infiltrated the government. This has been going on for years and years. And like a cancer, they are destroying America.

Is the ballot box the answer? Maybe, but how is the ballot box the answer when your vote-- the vote of a self sufficient man or woman-- is cancelled out by an illegal immigrant, or an illiterate drug addict, or a welfare slut?

27 posted on 11/22/2001 9:20:21 PM PST by Mulder
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To: toenail
I have collected signatures for an Initiative to create a Fully Informed Jury in Washington State.
28 posted on 11/22/2001 9:21:00 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
My view of libertarianism.....

OH IT DON'T MEAN A THANG IF IT AIN'T RIGHT-WANG...DOOWAH,DOOWAH....

There ,I've settled your debate.

29 posted on 11/22/2001 9:26:11 PM PST by Church Lady
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To: Economist_MA
Ok, which election is he talking about and why didn't anybody tell me? The one I voted in resulted in a pretty even split between dems and repubs, with statistical noise for the Libertarians. How are the author's conclusions supported by this pattern?

The only difference between dems and reps is that dems want to turn up the heat more than the reps do. Both have the same goal - boiling us frogs. It isn't a dem Att Gen and CONgress cranking out laws that control us but won't stop a repeat of Sept 11. Or a dem president making these executive orders.

30 posted on 11/22/2001 9:26:31 PM PST by jedi
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To: Lurker; KentuckyWoman
"...The America you write of has been gone for almost 70 years..."
===============================================

Bravo.....

...now then....how do we convice the large section of the US Populace that, in the hopes of them believing this will kick them outside of their "Comfort Zone" ?? ?? ??

31 posted on 11/22/2001 9:27:15 PM PST by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: RLK
Me respectable? How dare you call me such a thing!

I happen to agree with Mr. Smith. The Treaty of Versailles made Hitlers rise to power inevitable IMO. When American elected that nasty little cripple Roosevelt into power (along with a Democrat majority) WWII also became inevitable.

When Hitler was elected, inflation in the Weimar Republic was something like 800% annually because of the ridiculous conditions imposed on Germany by France, England, and America. No wonder the German people voted en mass for old Uncle Adolf.

I know you have spent a lifetime looking into these kinds of things Bob, and just for the record I have spent a good amount of my life looking long and hard at the kinds of things Mr. Neil posits in this article as well.

If Bill Clinton had been given anything remotely resembling the PATRIOT Act under damn near any circumstances I can imagine, there would be outright armed rebellion going on right now and you know it.

But somehow because GWB (a man you yourself have characterized as being wholly in over his head BTW) we are all supposed to relax and believe that everything will be fine. Well my friend, I ain't buying it.

Things are going to get a whole lot uglier in America before they get any better. It won't be long before there are 'respectable' voices crying out for some 'temporary internment facilities' for a whole bunch of brown people who happen to profess their faith to a certain religion if you get my drift. Perhaps we will pass a law making them wear a yellow crescent on their sleeves or something.....

Thanks for asking about the tooth. We are now working on number three and each one gets progressively easier although the Tooth Fairy pays a heck of a lot better than in my day.

Take care of yourself Bob.

Regards,

Bruce

32 posted on 11/22/2001 9:27:28 PM PST by Lurker
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To: redrock
Mr. Smith connects a lot of dots that have nothing to do with each other and fails to connect some that do. I fought through about two thirds of this article and gave up in disgust. Being wrong with passion just gets you further from the truth. He is passionally wrong and some interpret that as courage, or something. It is lunacy of the first order.

One small case in point, if he is still not convinced that Bush won the election in light of all we know now, then he is just choosing to be ignorant so he can rant. He is a lot of noise, period!

33 posted on 11/22/2001 9:27:55 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: redrock
Tell everyone you know, everyone you work with, do business with, go bowling with, that terrorism is a diffuse threat that can only be met with a diffuse defense. The way to combat terrorism, religious, state, or any other kind, is with individual human action. Individual human liberty. Tell everyone -- and keep telling them until they get it.

What they will "get" is more airplanes launched into buildings - - or anthrax, or truck bombs, or smallpox, or "dirty" bombs, or suitcase nukes....

When they send us to the camps, you tell me I was wrong.

Okay. This guy is a loon. Who are "they", and why are we all going to "camps".
Sorry, Neil. No sale.

Neil Smith makes a whole lot of good points. And he is dead on about the potential for abuses and erosion of basic civil liberties. He is right to sound the alarm. But to paint a guy like George Bush as a Hitler-like fascist who is hungry for power just doesn't wash.

I do accuse him, his father, and their vile cronies and allies of making totalitarian plans for us and then waiting, just like vultures on a cactus, for some horrific event that would appear to justify them.

Smith is a paranoid, tin-foil mad hatter if there ever was one. A complete loon.
What, exactly, would be the motivation for Bush and his "vile cronies" to foist all this evil on America? Money? Power?
Gimme a break.

34 posted on 11/22/2001 9:29:55 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Alabama_Wild_Man
It can't be done. At least not with words anyway.

Most Americans won't believe it until someone they love is dragged away kicking and screaming.

If the lessons of Russia, China, Cambodia, and Germany are any example, most people won't believe it even then.

L

35 posted on 11/22/2001 9:30:05 PM PST by Lurker
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To: redrock
Great post, redrock.

This administration has blown gaping holes in what's left of our constitution. Under the guise of his phony "war on terrorism" (Why aren't we bombing the KLA in Kosovo and Macedonia?), Bush, with the help of his accessories in congress, has put into place the instrumentation for our future oppression. He is the closest thing to a dictator we seen since FDR. His failure to learn the lessons of history (governments have a way of enslaving their citizens) and his contempt for the Bill of Rights is truly shocking.

I fear for this once-great Republic.

- Un-PC

36 posted on 11/22/2001 9:30:25 PM PST by Un-PC
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
"I have collected signatures for an Initiative to create a Fully Informed Jury in Washington State."

Good!

Are you having any success Libertarianizing the GOP? Do you expect Trent Lott or George W. Bush or Arlen Specter to ever publicly state, "You, the people, in your role as jurors, have the right and responsibility to rule any laws we pass that may be repugnant to you as de facto null and void by refusing to convict anyone accused of violating them?"

37 posted on 11/22/2001 9:33:19 PM PST by toenail
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To: redrock
"How long before in government decides that this type of writing is 'terrorist'??

Oh, puleeze.

This guy is actually more an anarchist, and to the left of Nadine Strasser of the ACLU.

George Bush "totalitarian"?? HELLO...

38 posted on 11/22/2001 9:36:33 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Lurker
That the treaties made things excessively hard on Germany and contributed to instability is true. However, I don't think that was Wilson's plan and there is no need for exaggeration for describing it. Wilson was just a stupid and somewhat deceptive man in the wrong place.

As far as my relaxing, I have a few people who would like to kill me. The next article in the series will make me even less liked by liberals and the Bushs. My stuff wasn't banned of the Federal ISP by the Clinton White House because I'm relaxed.

39 posted on 11/22/2001 9:37:28 PM PST by RLK
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To: toenail
Patience, all good things take time.
40 posted on 11/22/2001 9:39:27 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Un-PC
What a bunch of looney-left wing defeatist. i say left wing because you sound just like them. as for your libertarian presidential canidate, all i can say is better luck next time. as for your conspiracy theorist, well isnt it funny how the only people that ever know about these conspiracies are a precious few living in montains, and their warnings never seem to come true or catch on with even a small fration of the populace. i guess we just arent as enlighened as you guys. yeah thats it.
41 posted on 11/22/2001 9:39:43 PM PST by Texas Cornhusker
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To: redrock
Sorry Bro but you were whining a bit too much for me.
42 posted on 11/22/2001 9:44:03 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Texas Cornhusker
Ok...s-l-o-w down...

Take a deep breath....

And then take out the old copies of the Declaration of Independence...and the Constitution...and maybe re-read the Federalist Papers.......and maybe Thomas Paines writings just to bring it all together.

Then think about it some...

redrock

43 posted on 11/22/2001 9:44:15 PM PST by redrock
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To: VaBthang4
Nope...never whine.

At least NOT without cheese......

redrock

44 posted on 11/22/2001 9:46:27 PM PST by redrock
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To: redrock
I had to rush outside to look up -- and to my relief the sky was still there ... Whew!!!

I'm not a historical buff so I can't even begin to touch on all the why's and wherefore's of past deeds/misdeeds of our previous presidents (well -- Clintoon would be a no-brainer).

I do however, strongly disagree with you about Bush. The terrorists acts of 9-11 was a declaration of war on our country, therefore we are at war. Their actions declared it, therefore we don't have to for it to be official that we are at war.

If we do not aggressively destroy every terrorist network around the world, then we invite more of the same. Surely you have seen how too many clerics in too many Islamic countries are raising their children from the cradle to the grave to hate and destroy America. It is the clerics in these countries who assume the task of education. The governing/business side of these countries look the other way because it has been an accepted practice that the two entities are separate and do not encroach upon each other's territory. These clerics must accept a major portion of the blame, but so should the governing parties who keep their people in such poverty that they are pleased to have the clerics give the people a common enemy to blame -- America.

What we have now is a whole generation of bin Laden's -- who would nuke us if he had the capability!! Billions of dollars of aid from America to these impoverished countries has changed nothing. Do you really think kind words and negotiations will have any effect? Or that taking out a minute handful of their leaders will not leave their followers lined up to do the same?

This vast network of terrorists are out to destroy us incrementally or massively according to their capabilities. They have 'sleeper cells here in our backyard just waiting for the right opportunity

So far, 'civil rights' violations have only applied to foreigners, and maybe a few foreign citizens who supported them. We have no idea how many planned terrorist attacks have been thwarted thanks to our new alertness and these new laws that are nothing more than common sense in times of war.

But I will be watching, like many others, to see if these new laws are taken advantage of, and if it comes to that, then I will speak out vociferously.

45 posted on 11/22/2001 9:47:08 PM PST by bjcintennessee
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To: RLK
You are one of the few writers I really look forward to reading Bob.

And just to throw one last shot in, I find the parallels between Bush and Wilson more than just a little bit disturbing.

You have said it yourself I believe. Bush may win a second term, but Hillary is waiting in the wings and just imagine that bitch wielding the PATRIOT Act.

I'm off to bed now. Clan Lurker is heading to the gun range to heat up some iron tomorrow morning. I picked up a really sweet old Enfield chambered in .308 recently and I just love shooting it. We are going to let Lurker Jr. pop off a few shots with the pellet gun my grandfather bought me for my tenth birthday as well.

The practice will serve him well when he opens up his last Christmas present.

Take care my friend.

Call over the weekend if the fit takes you.

Regards,

L

P.S. How goes your experiments with the laser?

46 posted on 11/22/2001 9:48:14 PM PST by Lurker
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I concur with you.

And I was fully expecting Smith at some point in his rant refer to Washington or Adams as subversives.

47 posted on 11/22/2001 9:48:18 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Lurker
Ruby Ridge, Waco. Ruby Ridge, Waco.
48 posted on 11/22/2001 9:48:41 PM PST by RLK
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To: redrock
i dont have to think about it to logically come to the conclusion that not every single action is the result of a grand conspiracy against us. granted, in history leaders have abused powers, but to automatically declare the end times scenario over anything and everything is ridiculous. disagree fine, but to automatically declare the end of civilization and to run hiding in the shelter is absurd.
49 posted on 11/22/2001 9:50:16 PM PST by Texas Cornhusker
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To: redrock; Lurker
Try this for an alternate point of view. Unbalanced approaches to civil liberties Just posted by JohnHuang2
50 posted on 11/22/2001 9:52:24 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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