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IMF loans for Turkey transferred to the Israeli military industries[TURKEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED!]
Arabic News.com ^ | 11/24

Posted on 11/25/2001 6:00:24 PM PST by oxi-nato

Turkish news reports said on Friday that loans of the International Monetary Fund IMF the Turkish minister of the economy Kamal Darwish used to say it will arrive Turkey very soon in order to rescue the economy from its drastic recession, appeared to be used to rescue certain Israeli military industry companies instead of supporting the Turkish economy.

The Turkish daily Millet said that it is expected that a sum of USD 700 million of the IMF loans will be transferred to the Israeli manufacturing company " AMA" and this loan will rescue the company from the drastic financial crisis it has been suffering since a long period of time. This facility will be given for an agreement to be signed between the Turkish ministry of defense and the said company in order to renovate 170 tanks used by the Turkish land forces.

The paper explained that if the Israeli company will accept the conditions of the Turkish army chief of staff to reducing bid prices, and allocate part of the production for the Turkish companies, then Turkey and Israel will sign the largest arms deal between them since the beginning of the new Millennium.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; nato; turkey
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To: Restorer
Turkey is on the edge of being overrun by its "frendly" moslem neighbors. Which neighbors is that?
Yes that had been overstated a bit, but none-the-less, as all these creeps Muslim and Orthodox (save I think Bulgaria and Georgia) are tied together with defence treaties, Greece is supporting terrorists in Turkey, and the Arabs and Persians are pouring money into fundamentalist religious organizations in Turkey, I did not feel like disputing it.

And sure our military is strong, but the Greek agenda is to keep it level with its own. That means that if they can't afford more, neither should we, and they press for that with their lobby groups (check the link in #20).
41 posted on 11/25/2001 9:17:40 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: cascademountaineer
Have you read about how the Union Army handled the problem they had with the civilian population supporting guerrillas in Western MO? It was called Order #11, and it essentially removed all people from the area in contention, very much as the Turks moved the Armenians out of the military zone of conflict with the Russians.

I am sure that many Turks didn't care if all the Armenians died, just as many Union officers didn't care if the Missourians died, which a lot of them did.

I do know that if all the Turks wanted was dead Armenians, it would have been a lot easier to kill them in Armenia than to ship them off to Syria and other locations. The Turkish railway system was iffy at best, moving 1,000,000+ Turks must have been an enormous strain.

42 posted on 11/25/2001 9:29:14 PM PST by Restorer
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To: a_Turk
i am going to requset that you be banned for your racist comments and personal insults!

turkey supports albanian terrorists!

the u.s. also supports albanian terrorists, what's your point?

43 posted on 11/25/2001 9:32:26 PM PST by oxi-nato
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To: oxi-nato
a quick point, when did yugoslavia attack italy or greece?

Never. What's your point? NATO has nothing in its rules that says a member must be attacked before the alliance can take military action.

Actually, there were a lot of problems towards the end of WWII and immediately thereafter on both these frontiers, but I know that's not what you were asking.

44 posted on 11/25/2001 9:33:03 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
oh yes it does, the only way nato can act unilaterally is if one member is attacked!

any other matters must be approved by the un security council which yugoslavia was never even brought to a vote during rambouilett or before the attacks!

nato is criminal period!

read their treaty, the nato treaty is placed under the un charter!

45 posted on 11/25/2001 9:38:03 PM PST by oxi-nato
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To: oxi-nato
You may have other comments on other threads to which you are referring, however in my opinion a_Turk has not used racist comments or personal insults on this thread.

You may have a really thin skin. You ought to come over and hang out on some of the "South will rise again" threads. Get a whole new perspective on personal insults.

46 posted on 11/25/2001 9:38:41 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm

just read article 1!

did the un even have a voice before nato bombed yugoslavia? i don't think so! major violation!

47 posted on 11/25/2001 9:42:15 PM PST by oxi-nato
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To: oxi-nato; Restorer
i am going to requset that you be banned for your racist comments and personal insults!
Go ahead! "requset" ROLFMAO!
48 posted on 11/25/2001 9:42:18 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: oxi-nato
did the un even have a voice before nato bombed yugoslavia? i don't think so! major violation!
So what! Here's a kleenex! Next time murder people quicker! Also, learn how to spell!
49 posted on 11/25/2001 9:44:05 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: Restorer
calling christians and muslims creeps can be offensive to some!

the fact is a_Turk should not be respected anymore for those types of childish name called that show his hatred true colors!

50 posted on 11/25/2001 9:44:18 PM PST by oxi-nato
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To: a_Turk
the point is does nato respect the laws it is a party to. obviously not so why should anyone respect an organization that violates its very own treaty?

its a moral issue, people like yourself who support this anarchist way of conducting affairs shows to me that you may not respect the very rules and laws in your own community or nation!

51 posted on 11/25/2001 9:48:40 PM PST by oxi-nato
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To: oxi-nato
the fact is a_Turk should not be respected anymore for those types of childish name called that show his hatred true colors!
Waaaaaah
52 posted on 11/25/2001 9:54:50 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: Restorer
Im not quite sure what Union or Confederate forces have to do with this but Im not aware of an equivelant of the Teshkilati Mahsusa, a group which were used specifically to conduct "policys" against ethnic minorities in Turkey. The purpose of these policys were based on the concept of Pan-Turanism, the creation of a new Ottoman Empire stretching from Anatolia into Central Asia whose population would be exclusively "pure" Turkic and none other. This is all well documented, especially Ataturks goals during the War.

the UN moved "enemy aliens" out of the military zones in WWII

By the way, the UN didnt exist during WW2. The charter was drawn up in 1945, at the close of the war. As an Organization it did not exist until 1945. The only multilateral group that existed during the war was the League of Nations which ceased to exist failing to prevent the war. Although the term was used coined by FDR and later used in a declaration referring to a few of the nations that had pledged their Gvts. to fight the Axis powers.

I hope Ive answered your questions again. Thanks for the input, but its late here, so Im off for now. Have a good evening.

53 posted on 11/25/2001 10:02:38 PM PST by cascademountaineer
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To: cascademountaineer
Sorry, when I typed UN I had intended to type US. Not sure how I managed that particular typo. Maybe it was Freudian?

I think you may be confused about "Ataturk's goals" during the war, at least if you are referring to WWI and not the Turkish Revolution.

Ataturk was only another general during WWI, not a dictator as he later became.

54 posted on 11/25/2001 10:08:27 PM PST by Restorer
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To: The Duke
IMO Turkey is economically going down the tubes with the Pasha's leading the way.

Much more IMF money will be needed to upgrade the other 440 Turkish M-60 tanks that Israel plans to upgrade as part of a deal that Israel will not bid on the main battle tank contract.

This is all part of a 30 billion (US$) upgrade to the Turkish military that Turkey cannot afford.

55 posted on 11/25/2001 10:11:27 PM PST by robbinsj
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To: oxi-nato
You never give up whining. Get over it. The only thing NATO did wrong with Serbia is that they didn't smash it to pieces back in 1992/1993. But you'd much rather scream hate over and over without any facts. Obviously, you learned from the Nazis and Communists about basic propaganda.

By the way, proper use of capitalization might help your posts seem less insane. Oops, please continue to write like a six year-old. *g*

56 posted on 11/26/2001 3:08:40 AM PST by LenS
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To: a_Turk
and the Arabs and Persians are pouring money into fundamentalist religious organizations in Turkey,

I feel this is the big danger to Turkey. Syria, Iran Iraq etc... may not want to come in the front door, but love the back door. No one knows Turkey's needs more than the Turks, this left-handed swipe against Turkey is bothersome to me. I kinda guess the fact that some of the purchases came from Israel has a lot more to do with the "TURKEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED!" caption than the fact that Turkey, living in the brush fire of the Middle East decided it wanted fire insurance.

57 posted on 11/26/2001 5:13:38 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: LenS
once again, personal insults is your only strong suit!

by the way since you have no knowledge and respect for any laws, treaties or charters, i wonder if you yourself are not a common criminal?

please educate yourself and read the nato treaty, un charter, geneva convention and human rights declaration!

do you have any respect for any laws? seems to me you would support communism and anarchy more!

58 posted on 11/26/2001 5:26:22 AM PST by oxi-nato
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To: American in Israel
I kinda guess the fact that some of the purchases came from Israel has a lot more to do with the "TURKEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED!"
Well, I have to disagree. This person would be equally eager to burn the flags of Israel, Turkey, the USA, or NATO. There is a deep hatred in there against Turkey, those who identified with the Turks (Bosnian and Albanian Muslims), and those who won't stab the Turks (USA and Israel). That's the world of politics in Orthodox Christianity. Hate the Turks.
59 posted on 11/26/2001 2:59:09 PM PST by a_Turk
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