TWA FLIGHT 800

3rd party | 11/27/01 | Fred Roberts

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Well, we have "a commercial pilot who spoke to another commercial pilot who spoke to Fred."

With an impeccable source such as this, the case can now be closed.

[eno_]

I think Erickson was in that job for a couple of years, and that he resigned several months after TWA800 blew up. But I think it is also correct that his resignation came shortly after some visits to Washington about which nothing was said. He is now interim CEO of Air Afrique, the story of which is a capsule summary for why the Third World is such a hell-hole. He is reported to live in Scottsdale, AZ, and I would guess he telecommutes as much as possible. If I were closer, I would be curious enough to look him up and ask him about it.

[japaneseghost]

Maybe John and Paul or some other radio/media people can find this ex-CEO of TWA and ask him.

Or maybe tell him that since Clinton is GONE (thank God)
he could submit an affidavit before the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
telling the truth about FL800.

[timestax]

Yeah, somebody needs to to talk with this dude!

[timestax]

You forgot to "question my motives" !

[timestax]

bttt

[Tymesup]

Let's mention that the US Navy was in the vicinity that evening. This was originally denied, then admitted to.

[timestax]

Let's mention that the US Navy was in the vicinity that evening. This was originally denied, then admitted to. 47 posted on 11/29/01 2:01 PM Pacific by Tymesup

That's right--Even if innocent, it sure does make Gubment look guilty as sin!!

[timestax]

Let's mention that the US Navy was in the vicinity that evening. This was originally denied, then admitted to. 47 posted on 11/29/01 2:01 PM Pacific by Tymesup

That's right--Even if innocent, it sure does make Gubment look guilty as sin!!

[Asmodeus]

"Since there were witnesses to the shootdown, - - - -".

No expert witness report analyst has ever stated there were any "shootdown" witnesses.

ex·pert (kspûrt) n.

A person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain subject.

Although nearly 5 1/2 years have now gone by since the Flight 800 disaster, the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists have still not been able to get even one expert witness report analyst to agree with their allegations about what the witnesses supposedly saw. Not even ONE.

Although nearly 5 1/2 years have now gone by since the Flight 800 disaster, the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists have still not been able to get even one metallurgist/material damage expert to agree with their "missile(s) shootdown" allegations. Not even ONE.

Although nearly 5 1/2 years have now gone by since the Flight 800 disaster, the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists have still not been able to produce any physical evidence of a missile(s) shootdown. NONE.

Although nearly 5 1/2 years have now gone by since the Flight 800 disaster, the tinfoil hat "shootdown" conspiracy theorists have still not been able to get even one member of congress to support them. Not even ONE.

Although nearly 5 1/2 years have now gone by since the Flight 800 disaster, none of the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists have ever even been able to publicly present a sequential timeline of any of their differing alleged "shootdown" scenarios. NONE.

The following sequential timeline is from: The Myth of the Missile Witnesses

8:31:11 Intact and climbing 747 approaches 13,800 feet.

8:31:12 Initiating Event at 13,800 feet followed immediately by the commencement of the decapitation process.

8:31:47 explosion of Massive Fireball at 5500-7500 feet. The eyewitnesses contend that the Massive Fireball explosion was immediately preceded by the fiery streak.

8:31:55-8:31:57 splashdown of the Massive Fireball flames.

The sequential timeline tells the tale. For instance, there are allegations in the present thread that witness Meyer saw the alleged "shootdown" of the 747. Yet, it's obvious from the sequential timeline of the major events that Meyer could not have seen a missile(s) shootdown of the airliner at 13,800 feet only 3-4 seconds before he saw the huge fireball explode in its falling wreckage at about 5500-7500 feet. .

Which is just one of the reasons why the tinfoil hat "shootdown" conspiracy theorists have never been able to enlist the support of even one expert witness report analyst for their allegations about what Meyer supposedly saw, much less for any of the rest of their alleged "hundreds of missile(s) witnesses".

Yet, without the support of any expert witness report analysts - not even ONE, without the support of any metallurgical/material damage experts - not even ONE and without being able to publicly present even one speck of physical evidence - NONE, the tinfoil hat "shootdown" conspiracy theorists have continued non-stop for nearly 5 1/2 years now to wildly and recklessly accuse thousands of Americans of heinous crimes - including the accustion today that Presidence Bush is guilty of complicity in those wildly and recklessly alleged heinous crimes.

Such allegations inevitably incite suspicion, fear and hatred of the accused.

This country has been at war since 11 September 2001 with an enemy that incites suspicion, fear and hatred of the United States and its government. Thousands of Americans have already died in this war, thousands of our armed forces are in harms way and all of us are in great potential peril. By what logic are the tinfoil hat "shootdown" conspiracy theorists NOT giving aid and comfort to that enemy?

[Criminal Number 18F]

You forgot to "question my motives" !

I didn't forget anything, amigo. Your motives are your business, and I am willing to assume that your motives are the same as everybody here -- you are interested in sharing your views on matters of public importance. I am just questioning your "facts" which are a little shaky, and your judgment.

I get weary of posting factual information on this and on IFO 21 (the Ron Brown crash, as it's known in tintop alley). It's really hard to explain things to people whose scientific method derives from close study of supermarket tabloids. And whose knowledge of aviation derives from... I dunno. Fred's friend's fathers flying flivver fantasies, or something.

Show me someone credible who thinks 800 was shot down (Michael Rivero doesn't count, he's a laughingstock who also thinks the CIA attacked the WTC on 9/11).

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

Let's say that Flight 800 was hit by a terrorist missile. Since (to my knowledge) no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the attack, what are we to assume?

1. The terrorists are in on the coverup?
2. The government secretly hunted down and eliminated all members of the terrorist cell before they could take credit?
3. This is a terrorist group that likes to keep its attacks secret for maximal terror effect?

[timestax]

Aha!!I have NEVER posted anything about the brown crash. You brought it up in a futile attempt to ridicule me, as is your M.O. But all the veteran Freepers recognize your tricks so carry on 18F.lol what a joke!!

[thatstan]

Show me someone credible who thinks 800 was shot down d.o.l. Criminal Number 18F The US Government. Why else spend $100M on such an absurd and funny but brutal coverup which merely convinced 2/3 (AvWk poll) of the flying public that it WAS a missile. Bush is as guilty as Clinton. It's common for such middle-managers. Do I win anything? Everything points to an inert missile (mispackaged SM2 prototype) goof by a military contractor if you care to become vaguely familiar with the tragedy on alt.disasters.aviation or twa800@Yahoogroups.com. I hope this helps.

[SBeck]

Why don't you wait until NTSB releases their findings and then you can pick it apart and submit your theories during the public comment portion of the investigation?

Incidentally, NTSB reports only to Congress so the chances of a coverup are basically nil and none. The White House has no influence on them and if it was an attempted coverup by the Clintonistas, dont't you think the Republican majority Congress (at the time) would be jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth?

[barf]

NTSB has released its findings that show a sled behind the P3. What are sleds for, you may ask? They are used as missile targets, that is what sleds are used for (bad grammar). By an odd coincidence, a surfaced submarine (30-kt target), the 'sled' and the B747 (TWA800) were nearly on a straight line at the time of the crash. Apparently, our friends who ride in boats while wearing sailor suits did the dirty. Our own NTSB is either dishonest or incompetent since their own data shows why it happened and a CWT explosion did not have anything to do with it. Cover-up, anyone? For those who have the NTSB Exhibit 13A, look at attachment V-1 and the P3 track. The lower left hand tick is the P3 and the fifth tick is the sled, approximately one mile back. BOSCTR radar was getting two returns per sweep and this showed something one mile back and a half mile below the P3. Magnetometers are towed a few hundred feet above the water. The only thing logical to tow 20,000 above the water is a sled. NTSB Exhibit 13E showed the relative altitudes of the P3, the sled and TWA800. The report tried to mask the let down of the sled with 102000 data but one could see through the masking. Couple this with the fact that the dog did not bark and you arrive at: Friendly Fire. Period. Since there was no explosion at the time of missile impact, it was likely a KKV or kinetic kill vehicle. The radar returns in the NTSB report showed debris going off to the right hand side of the plane, only. A CWT explosion should have symmetrical effects. The FDR anomalies showed asymmetrical effects. An object which hit TWA800 caused the crash.

[acehai]

A$$haolemodius: You may have changed your screen name from Elmer (FUDD) Barr, but the unremitting attempts at disinformation are perfectly recognizable. You're still full of "bovine excrement."

No offense, of course...

[barf]

Nice to see that you are still alive and kicking. Elmeritis is still around and needs to be stilled. Sticking up for corruption in government is not, and has never been, patriotic no matter much self deception that one may use. Allowing one lie to pass without objection only leads to more lies. When Colorado Springs and Pittsburgh occurred, our government was able to state that they did not know the reason and the public stood behind them. But to lie about a cause of a crash is unexcusable. We must not allow this to pass.

[placebo]

They told us the truth..A wiring problem, yeah, that's it!Move along, folks, nothing to see here...

[SBeck]

The NTSB has not sent their findings to the Federal Register yet, therefore the investigation is not closed. They are anything but incompetent or evil, they are some of the most dedicated folks in the federal government and their sole charter is to find the probable cause of any accident (incidentally, if information is brought to light that challenges the probable cause then it can be changed - this has happened more than once) and make safety recommendations based on their conclusions. My school, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, has two graduates sitting on the TWA 800 technical board and I guarantee, although I am admittingly biased, that their credentials are impeccable.

Where is the official source of your information?