What the nurse saw [The baby was brought to the room to die. There was no medical intervention.]

OSV ^ | 12-01-01 | Jay Copp

[pcl]

They are immediately enraged when they see these photos because they know there is no defense of the atrocity of abortion.

Would you become a vegitarian if you were exposed to obscenely graphic and bloody images of the slaughtering of cows, pigs, lambs for out dinner tables?

[Brad’s Gramma]

Great, last night it was a food fight, and now we're playing sports?

Well, OK then.....a fast kickball back atcha!!!!!!!

[JMJ333]

It is hard to pull out the facts from the sensationalism in this story;

It named the hospital, so you can confirm it for yourself. Why don't feel compasion and mercy when you hear about what happened to this woman? Why don't you care about these babies?

My percentage is an educated guess. 20% have no conscience [like yourself] 20% have acute consciences and 60% have a conscience that does work, but they push things they don't want to deal with out of their minds.

That is why the pictures of the aborted babies are effective. It pricks their collective conscience and they have to face the evil reality that abortion is. Some people recognize it for what it is, but simply don't care. I have faith that they aren't the majority of people in this country.

[JMJ333]

Would you become a vegitarian if you were exposed to obscenely graphic and bloody images of the slaughtering of cows, pigs, lambs for out dinner tables?

No, because I don't equate humans and animals on the same plane. The uniqueness and dignity of humanity is special to me. You believe slaughtering a cow for food and slaughtering a human being because they are a burden, or are unwanted, mean the same things. I don't. To me they are precious and I mean to stand up for them because they are unable to defend themselves.

[JMJ333]

Actually, I was thinking weaponry! As in "Volley....Fire!!!"

But hey...I like football too. :)

[DreamWeaver]

I never look at people with disablilties as being a problem, only opportunities for me to learn from them and serve.

God has given you the gift of love and insight, God Bless You. Opportunities is exactly what these situations in life bring about ( I believe by divine intervention), to either bring out the best in us mere mortals or the worse.

[pcl]

No, because I don't equate humans and animals on the same plane.

Vegitarians consider animal life to be every bit as sacred as you do fetal life. The logic behind dinner-table-animal slaughter images and choped up fetal images are exactly the same for the vegitarian and you. That logic being "if they see the horror, they will change their minds."

You do not believe the lives of animals to be worth converting to vagitarianism. Those images would make no difference to you.

The people who believe that fetuses are not real person will like wise no be converted by the images.

(My apologies to any vegitarians for using this example. I have never known a vegitarian to demand another person not eat meat.)

[pcl]

Why don't feel compasion and mercy when you hear about what happened to this woman?

I do feel compassion and mercy when I read the text.

No reflection upon you in particular, but I just do not trust the source. I have seen so much sensationalism and so many distorted facts coming from Pro-Lifers that I do not trust any of their material.

[pcl]

How congress can listen to this and not be outraged is beyond me.

When you cry wolf many times and are proven wrong, do not expect to be believed when you cry wolf for real.

[Verax]

You are EXACTLY right.

When I read accounts like this, that show a total lack of respect for life...I swear to you...I get a chill up and down my spine...a feeling like no other. It's like, if I turned around in my chair, I would find a 400 pound mad giant wielding an ax at my neck

I can only assume it's God's pain sending shiffers through me.

The fear of his judgement for these atrocities haunts me.

[Verax]

Perhaps you haven't seen the images. It's undeniable that they are HUMANs...trust me.

[pcl]

Once again, I have seen too many sensationalist images from Pro-Lifers to trust any of them. There may be some iamges that are real as well as the doctored ones. After being burnt a few times, it becomes a waste of time to look.

[JMJ333]

A) You claim the article is a lie, even though it is sourced and it would be easy for you to ascertain whether it is true or not. B) You believe we are no different than animals C) We're not to be trusted because we're for life instead of death and D) Showing the reality of abortion is sensationalism to you because you are unable to give an acceptable moral justification for slaughtering a human like a pig.

I got it. I understand what you believe. Like I said on another thread, this isn't a spiritual exersize, its an educational one. I'm not trying to sway your opinion, but rather those who have never faced the subject. I'm confident that more people side with me than they do with you, and I don't aim to quit until we have this injustice corrected in our society.

I appreciate you bumping my thread.

[JMJ333]

I showed him a picture a couple of days ago. He asked if I got a sexual thrill from seeing a mutilated aborted baby. He got extremely angry. I guess that is a big difference between our philosophy and world view. I look at those pictures and see a need to end an injustice against innocent defenseless human beings who are dying horrible deaths--some having to wait an hour before they die. He sees those pictures and sees sensationalism.

[conservonator]

Would you become a vegitarian if you were exposed to obscenely graphic and bloody images of the slaughtering of cows, pigs, lambs for out dinner tables?

I was elbow deep into a deer a few weeks ago. It made me hungry.

Unlike you and other people who seem to care more about the welfare of animals than of unborn children, I and many others haven’t lost our ability to discern the difference between the intrinsic value of human life and animal life. We haven’t lost the ability to discern the difference between killing and murder either.

[pcl]

You claim the article is a lie

I said I did not trust the source of the article. I never stated that the article was in fact a lie.

Your posting is an excellent example of the reason I do not trust material from Pro-life. You distorted my words and thoughts thorugh out your entire posting and you know it. The materials which I have seen from Pro-life do exactly the same thing.

You are most welcome for the bumps.

What is with this childish mentality some of you guys have with this "neaner, neaner, neaner, you bumped my article" nonsense. Do you believe your articles are so boring to the mainstream FReeper that you need me around to keep it visible?

[ArGee]

Always bearing the banner of cheer and goodwill, aren't you?

Thanks for the article.

Shalom.

[pcl]

I showed him a picture a couple of days ago.

You showed me a fake, doctored image. Besides the tell-tale signs of image editing there is also logic that points to most of those images being false.

What abortion clinic or hospital is going to invite Pro-life photographers in to take pictures? Maybe you are going to claim you have spies with cameras. That will not sell. Given the stand of Pro-lifers, not one of you would stand by and watch this process that you believe it murder. None of these images ar backed up with source information. The just suddenly appear out of someone pervert's computer.

[stryker]

My neighbor has a son with Down's Syndrome. I took him under my wing when he was about 10 years old. His parents are also very supportive. In the last eight years, he learned from me to play soccer fairly well. He has been my assistant coach on a number of recreational soccer teams. He is so proud of his Assistant Coach shirts and hats. He made his high school swim team. He learned to play a fair guitar, that Santa (me) left on his doorstep a few years ago. He still believes in Santa. He now works full time at Publix. Everyone that goes there knows him by his first name and always says, "Hi!". He knows he is different, but his life is hardly unfulfilled. He knows and loves Christ. I have four sons myself, but he has also been an important part of my life. A strange and mysterious gift, whose smallest accomplishments have been mountains climbed in my eyes.

[pcl]

I was elbow deep into a deer a few weeks ago. It made me hungry.

The thought of Venison on my table makes me hungry too.