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Posted on 12/04/2001 7:23:03 AM PST by ArcLight

JimRob can't be expected to police every thread. But the rank, appalling racism of some comments made during the discussion of the Adams Mark lawsuit really is quite beyond the pale. Your thoughts?


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1 posted on 12/04/2001 7:23:03 AM PST by ArcLight
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To: ArcLight
The mistake is that all fraternities are treated this way. The fact they are black fraternities seems to make them think it was just them.
2 posted on 12/04/2001 7:26:09 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: ArcLight
Telling the truth about the way many young black people like to behave is hardly racist.

Musicians who are wildly popular among this demographic celebrate this behavior incessantly. No one calls them "racist" or "self-hating".

If young blacks don't want to be criticized for savage behavior, then they had better clean up their own act rather than whining about racism.

40% of the violent crimes in this country are committed by 1% of the population - young black males. That's not a racist fantasy, that's a cold, hard fact.

3 posted on 12/04/2001 7:27:52 AM PST by wideawake
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To: AppyPappy
You may well have a point, Appy. Indeed, if I ran a hotel and something like a Freaknik were in the offing, I might well shut down for "renovations" for the week!

Still, the whole thing smacks of racism--I don't know of evidence that any white groups were treated this way. Perhaps it really wasn't racism, but I can easily see why the victims thought so. And they may well have been right.

In any case, a debate about the matter shouldn't degenerate into the kind of nasty stereotype-slinging that goes on in the aforementioned thread. Ever wonder why few blacks would be caught dead hanging with conservatives? This is why.

4 posted on 12/04/2001 7:29:20 AM PST by ArcLight
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To: ArcLight
My thoughts are "This thread has been deleted."

How about hitting the effing abuse button instead of starting a thread about it? Sheesh.

5 posted on 12/04/2001 7:29:48 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: ArcLight
I have not read the thread you're complaining about, but instead of starting a whole thread and wasting a lot of bandwidth, why didn't you just hit the abuse button on the offending posts? If a thread is bad enough over-all, they will usually delete the thread. Or do you just want to make freepers as a group seem bad?
6 posted on 12/04/2001 7:30:04 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: ArcLight
Running rampant? I saw the first page before the thread was deleted. Maybe one comment was out of line, maybe, and it was removed.
7 posted on 12/04/2001 7:30:07 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: ArcLight
Better title: Rasicm, The Dark Side Of FR
8 posted on 12/04/2001 7:30:25 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: ArcLight
How about some examples of what you mean by racist remarks?
9 posted on 12/04/2001 7:30:53 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: ArcLight
Come to think of it, we were treated this way by the hotel at the Jimmy Buffet concert at Carowinds. Of course, it was warranted because the place got trashed.

Spring Break is a huge ripoff on every college campus. The BC breaks are no different than Spring Break at Ft Liquordale and Daytona Beach before they wised up and shut them down.

10 posted on 12/04/2001 7:31:20 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: ArcLight
Ever wonder why few blacks would be caught dead hanging with conservatives?

Do you mean they would get shot by other blacks, because this surely is the kind of treatment Keyes and most other conservative blacks are receiving from racist blacks.

11 posted on 12/04/2001 7:32:12 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: gjenkins
I'm sorry, but the "N" word comes to mind when looking at the pictures

#68 in the thread

12 posted on 12/04/2001 7:32:51 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: ArcLight
I might well shut down for "renovations" for the week!

And what would you do when the city wouldn't let you close? And don't say it can't happen: it happened in Virginia Beach every single time they had their weekend up there.

13 posted on 12/04/2001 7:33:15 AM PST by Howlin
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To: ArcLight
Well i can't view the original thread since it has been deleted. But racism sure gets thrown around without a lot of thought by many people on FR - mostly from what I've seen in an attempt to silence the other side rather than argue the facts.
14 posted on 12/04/2001 7:33:49 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: DainBramage
Rasicm, The Dark Side Of FR

The title to a book: "Colored Views: The Black Heart of Racism."

15 posted on 12/04/2001 7:33:52 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: lavaroise
Actually, I worked with a Kappa and he said they no longer went to the big BC events because the locals would roll in and cause trouble. Then the BC frats got the blame. Freaknik has become the worst of the events. Probably half the people involved aren't even in college.
16 posted on 12/04/2001 7:35:00 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: ArcLight
It's a little hard to comment on this, since the thread you linked to has been deleted. Can someone post the article, or a link to it, so we know what this is about?
17 posted on 12/04/2001 7:35:21 AM PST by Rocky
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To: ArcLight
Free speech does not include the right not to be offended.

I don't believe that complex problems will ever be solved until and unless people are to free say what they really what to say, totally unrestricted.

There will always be a couple people who will use offensive language but people should fight with ideas not censorship.

I can understand FR’s desire not to be linked with “racists” but ideas need to be expressed. Bad ideas will be exposed by virtue of open and honest words and ideas.

If FR wants to buffer itself, make it clear that the views of individuals are those of the individuals.

Frankly, I’m fed up with people being kicked and banned and posts pulled and individual messages pulled simply because someone was apparently “offended. I think the abuse button is used far too often to intimidate people.

Censorship is wrong. That’s why we have the first amendment.

18 posted on 12/04/2001 7:35:28 AM PST by SocialMeltdown
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To: ArcLight
It's free speech, but I agree fully.

The only good defense against ignorance and racism, is a good offense. So if you read a comment from somebody who's obviously wearing a white hood, fire back!

19 posted on 12/04/2001 7:35:45 AM PST by jerod
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To: wideawake
40% of the violent crimes in this country are committed by 1% of the population - young black males. That's not a racist fantasy, that's a cold, hard fact.

I've heard a similar number, and it is troubling.

One part of the problem is the culture of low income minorities, no doubt. Whites had a dominant role in creating that culture.

Personal responsibility is great and all, and the white landowners who enslaved most of the ancestors of these people didn't seem to know a damn thing about it.
20 posted on 12/04/2001 7:36:03 AM PST by Belial
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To: Lazamataz
I think this thread should follow that other thread into non-existence.
21 posted on 12/04/2001 7:36:31 AM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: ArcLight
You're the guy who stated that if these people were treated rudely by staff, they should own the hotel.

Makes me think you have other agendas beyond cleaning up the language of FR.

You never answered my question on the other thread: Are you a lawyer?

22 posted on 12/04/2001 7:36:41 AM PST by dead
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To: ArcLight
Still, the whole thing smacks of racism--I don't know of evidence that any white groups were treated this way.

Except for the orange wrist bands, there was nothing out of the norm. I have had to carry my own bags in many hotels as good or better than an Adams Mark. I have paid higher rates than normal. And considering the age group and the tendancy to have large parties, the wrist bands were probably neccessary to keep things under control.

23 posted on 12/04/2001 7:37:19 AM PST by Always Right
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Nope nope nope. The people that fill the Daytona area are not all college kids, in fact most are not.

It is a racist event (BCR). It may not excuse racist comments, but don't go claiming that BCR is not to blame

24 posted on 12/04/2001 7:37:45 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ArcLight
Remember back in the good old days of Spring Break in places like Daytona and Ft. Lauderdale?? That was tolerated then because most of the kids were white and middle to upper middle class, the police in "freaknik" areas are a much bigger presence there than they used to be in Daytona and Ft. Laud (I know, I was there many many times LOL) What else could the reason be than race??
25 posted on 12/04/2001 7:38:28 AM PST by All-American Medic
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To: ArcLight
Perhaps what you are calling "racism" is in fact the beginning of a new political reality? I would like to share a thought with you from Jared Taylor's book "Paved with Good Intentions".

"White Americans will eventually lose patience. The White Student Union at Temple University, the National Association for the Advancement of White People, the popularity in Louisiana of former Klansman David Duke - these are all disquieting signs that whites are tired of double standards. Only for so long will whites watch blacks use race as a weapon before they forge racial weapons of their own."

Have you kept up with what is happening in Zimbabawe or South Africa lately? Funny how the media isn't screaming about the racist policies of Mugabe. Oh, that's right, it isn't racism when the victims are white people, is it? How about the events that happened in Wichita Kansas, December 15, 2000? Gee, what happened to Mardi Gras in Seattle? Who exactly is responsible for that event being permanently cancelled? Listen to a rap song lately? The list goes on and on and on and on. But of course, if we talk about any of this, we are racists. Soon that word is going to lose all of its power. Where will the leftists be then?

26 posted on 12/04/2001 7:38:36 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: ArcLight
I have not read that thread that you mention, however I was surprised by some of the responses concerning interracial dating in other threads. Still it's hard to judge(how many people hold that view), a couple of very vocal individuals can make it seems like a lot of people agree with them.
27 posted on 12/04/2001 7:38:49 AM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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To: ArcLight
You're wrong. Sorry. ALL hotels use the same policies for each event. If they incur losses, they tighten security so they don't keep having the same problems. It IS a racist event.

Come down to Daytona for BCR. I dare you.

28 posted on 12/04/2001 7:39:41 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ArcLight
No, this thread tops it, in my opinion, featuring such gems as:

To: drstevej

not fear, revulsion of tainted inferior dna wiping out a superior one. no thanks it has already ruined our nation enough.

69 posted on 12/2/01 1:17 AM Pacific by rickmoe

29 posted on 12/04/2001 7:39:45 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: AppyPappy
"Come to think of it, we were treated this way by the hotel at the Jimmy Buffet concert at Carowinds. Of course, it was warranted because the place got trashed." A fellow Parrothead?? Welcome Bro from the "son of a son of a sailorman"
30 posted on 12/04/2001 7:39:51 AM PST by All-American Medic
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To: ArcLight
Still, the whole thing smacks of racism

Everything smacks of racism to a person who has bought into the race-victimhood scam. Professional race-victims are unable to discern between geniuinely racist acts, and unpleasant events in which race is merely an incidental factor.

Professional race-victims have little credibility with thinking people because professional race-victims scream "racism" at every fleeting shadow. Would you like to see credibility restored to anti-racism initiatives? Learn and practice discretion.

31 posted on 12/04/2001 7:40:43 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: All-American Medic
Spring Break is mild compared to BCR. BCR is a racist event. Period.

To note: even Daytona gave MTV the boot a few years back. But they can't boot BCR. Why? NAACP, etc.

32 posted on 12/04/2001 7:42:04 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ArcLight
I've seen MUCH worse anti-Arab, anti-Muslim bigotry over the last couple of months on FR than anything I glimpsed on what I saw of that thread.
33 posted on 12/04/2001 7:42:07 AM PST by Physicist
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To: ArcLight
No doubt there's plenty of racists and bigots here on FR as in the world at large.

However, young black culture is a topic for discussion because it so overwhelmingly flies in the face of traditional (ie, one man, one woman marriage...children raised by both parents) values. Same as the young homosexual male lifestyle, and others no doubt.

The egocentric young black rap music typically comes off as angry, heavily sexual, anti-traditional, money-as-king commentary. It is promoted on mainstream music networks and radio stations and children (my children) listen to it. I don't see it as a positive and I turn off what is blatantly over the edge. Nothing racist in these comments, just factual.

34 posted on 12/04/2001 7:42:32 AM PST by Osinski
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To: ArcLight
just wish I knew what you guys were talking about
35 posted on 12/04/2001 7:42:32 AM PST by fuente
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To: All-American Medic
Actually, Spring Break in Florida went bad in the 80's. They finally shut it down and the kids go to Mexico now (better drinking laws for kids).
36 posted on 12/04/2001 7:42:36 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Kevin Curry
Professional race-victims have little credibility with thinking people because professional race-victims scream "racism" at every fleeting shadow.

Hah. I know what you are trying to say here. That's a code word.

37 posted on 12/04/2001 7:42:36 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: DainBramage
Better title: Rasicm, The Dark Side Of FR

Better title: Mis-spelling, The Darc Side of FR

39 posted on 12/04/2001 7:44:40 AM PST by Faraday
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To: AppyPappy
Actually, Spring Break in Florida went bad in the 80's.

I think I was a sort of a moderating force. Once I stopped going, all hell broke loose.

40 posted on 12/04/2001 7:45:16 AM PST by dead
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To: Kevin Curry
Racism has no meaing in this country. It is just another attack word of the left.

Racist, Sexist, Homophobe are the standard war cry of the left. When ever someone is losing an argument the final attack is always to call someone a Racist, Sexist or Homophobe.

41 posted on 12/04/2001 7:45:18 AM PST by Jimbaugh
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I would agree.

Every time you kick and banned someone or pull a post, you are giving the left more power.

What the left wants is to stifle speech. THEY want to control the ideas. THEY want to control the words. THEY want to control the language and ideas.

Whenever you censor someone, you only make the left more powerful. Their success only makes them more hungry with more demands.

Censorship is their weapon of intimidation to silence their enemies and brand everyone "guilty".

42 posted on 12/04/2001 7:45:24 AM PST by SocialMeltdown
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To: Osinski
The egocentric young black rap music typically comes off as angry, heavily sexual, anti-traditional, money-as-king commentary.

I'm not a fan myself. But when people say this, I just shake my head.

People used to say the same thing about jazz and the blues 50 years ago, and now you'll pay $75 to sit in a concert hall and listen to the same music.
43 posted on 12/04/2001 7:45:25 AM PST by Belial
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To: Belial
Personal responsibility is great and all, and the white landowners who enslaved most of the ancestors of these people didn't seem to know a damn thing about it.

It's all your fault, Belial--you and all the white Lib-Dem nanny-government massahs who conspire to keep blacks enfeebled and dependent.

Let their people go, Belial! Unchain these political slaves and let them join the rest of us as truly free men and women of dignity, purpose, and promise.

44 posted on 12/04/2001 7:45:42 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: ArcLight
Skin color? Who cares! OK! OK! Sometimes it might make a little difference. Hey, compare Janet Reno to this. Janet ain't BooTiLiCioUs.
45 posted on 12/04/2001 7:46:17 AM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: Jimbaugh
Racism has no meaing in this country.

How nice for you to live in a country like that. Is it somewhere between Candyland and Fantasy Island?
46 posted on 12/04/2001 7:46:56 AM PST by Belial
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To: golitely
Or do you just want to make freepers as a group seem bad?

I sure your thought crossed more than a few minds.

47 posted on 12/04/2001 7:47:05 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Belial
One part of the problem is the culture of low income minorities, no doubt. Whites had a dominant role in creating that culture.

Personal responsibility is great and all, and the white landowners who enslaved most of the ancestors of these people didn't seem to know a damn thing about it.

Slavery, that was abolished 166 years ago by force of arms with 600,000 mostly white deaths, cannot be blamed for the way people behave today, especially given the access to free public education, free childhood immunizations, laws preventing discrimination in hiring, etc.

The welfare state is more a cause of minority crime rates than slavery. Your argument might play well on the Democrap Undergroomed Web site, but not here at FR with educated, informed, realistic Americans.

48 posted on 12/04/2001 7:47:26 AM PST by Leesylvanian
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To: ArcLight
I've seen comments that the liberal left would consider racist that I absolutely do not consider racist. On the other hand, I've definitely seen racist comments on this board, and it's really disgusting. I wish they'd keep their comments to themselves; I'd hate for FR to become synonomous with the KKK. :(
49 posted on 12/04/2001 7:47:52 AM PST by joathome
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To: Belial
One part of the problem is the culture of low income minorities, no doubt. Whites had a dominant role in creating that culture.

Personal responsibility is great and all, and the white landowners who enslaved most of the ancestors of these people didn't seem to know a damn thing about it.

Slavery, that was abolished 166 years ago by force of arms with 600,000 mostly white deaths, cannot be blamed for the way people behave today, especially given the access to free public education, free childhood immunizations, laws preventing discrimination in hiring, etc.

The welfare state is more a cause of minority crime rates than slavery. Your argument might play well on the Democrap Undergroomed Web site, but not here at FR with educated, informed, realistic Americans.

50 posted on 12/04/2001 7:48:19 AM PST by Leesylvanian
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