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Nobel prize winners slam US policies
Reuters via SA Independent ^ | 12/7/01

Posted on 12/07/2001 5:03:42 PM PST by NativeNewYorker

Stockholm - More than 100 Nobel laureates have signed an appeal criticising the climate change and missile defence policies of the United States under President George W Bush.

The appeal, a copy of which was obtained by Reuters on Friday, said the most profound danger to world peace in coming years would stem from legitimate demands of the world's poor and disenfranchised majority.

"It is time for the industrialised world to take responsibility for being a member of the world community and stop thinking in terms of nations," Canadian John Polanyi, who won the 1986 Nobel Prize in Chemistry and initiated the appeal, told Reuters.

To counter both global warming and a weaponised world
Thousands of the world's dispossessed, some with access to weapons - including chemical and nuclear ones - posed the greatest threat to world peace, he said.

Concern that grievances such as poverty in developing countries, if neglected, could create new conflicts embroiling industrialised countries has been growing since the September 11 attacks on the United States.

Among the appeal's signatories are exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Mikhail Gorbachev, the last leader of the former Soviet Union. Several US winners also signed.

Almost 200 of the world's 225 living winners of the Nobel prizes, first awarded 1901, are gathering in Stockholm and Oslo for ceremonies commemorating the centenary of the accolades bestowed upon people of merit in medicine, physics, chemistry, economics, literature and peace.

"We must persist in the quest for united action to counter both global warming and a weaponised world," said the appeal, adding that the 105 signatories supported international agreements including the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) treaty and the so-called Kyoto Convention on Climate Change.

In an indirect reference to the national missile defence (NMD) system planned by the United States as a shield against attacks from what it has called rogue states, the appeal said it was time to "turn our backs on the unilateral search for security in which we seek shelter behind walls."

Implementing NMD would violate the ABM treaty. Polyani said the September 11 attacks on the United States had shown that national missile shields could not offer complete protection.

Bush has rejected the Kyoto protocol intended to curb industrialised countries' emissions of so-called greenhouse gases, which some scientists say are the main factor behind global warming. - Reuters



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1 posted on 12/07/2001 5:03:42 PM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
How many of those 100 are american? I would like to see the list of names and what they won the nobel prize for anyway.. Is Arafat one of them?
2 posted on 12/07/2001 5:05:58 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: NativeNewYorker
An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:
Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S. Person A makes claim C about subject S. Therefore, C is true. This fallacy is committed when the person in question is not a legitimate authority on the subject. More formally, if person A is not qualified to make reliable claims in subject S, then the argument will be fallacious.

This sort of reasoning is fallacious when the person in question is not an expert. In such cases the reasoning is flawed because the fact that an unqualified person makes a claim does not provide any justification for the claim. The claim could be true, but the fact that an unqualified person made the claim does not provide any rational reason to accept the claim as true.

3 posted on 12/07/2001 5:06:23 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: NativeNewYorker
We must end the Martian Global Warming problem NOW!
4 posted on 12/07/2001 5:08:34 PM PST by ambrose
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To: NativeNewYorker
Hmmmm... Nobel Prize winners get hundreds of thousands of dollars as part of the prize. Perhaps they should pass the hat at their meeting to take up a collection for the world's poor and dispossed. Oh, but no, they'd rather the USA pick up the tab?
5 posted on 12/07/2001 5:10:08 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: BrooklynGOP
BrooklynGOP is a minority group if I ever heard one!

What part of Brooklyn do you live in?

6 posted on 12/07/2001 5:11:27 PM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
Maybe I'm just an arrogant American, but who gives a sh*t!
7 posted on 12/07/2001 5:12:34 PM PST by WarPaint
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To: NativeNewYorker
the appeal said it was time to "turn our backs on the unilateral search for security in which we seek shelter behind walls."

And seek shelter behind treaties. These people are nuts.

What has protected the world from nuclear war for the last 55 years is not any treaty, but the unspoken, unwritten certainty of retaliation.

8 posted on 12/07/2001 5:13:46 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: NativeNewYorker
:) I lived for 10 years in bensonhurst, and moved to Sheepsheadbay few years ago. It was pretty funny. When I went to vote Bush, I had to fill out a ballot manually, cause I moved and they didn't have my name in that precinct.. I saw an old lady who was volunteering there leer over my shoulder and she saw me pick Bush. THen I handed it to her, and she gave me such a look. Haha :)
9 posted on 12/07/2001 5:14:05 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Alas Babylon!
Hmmmm... Nobel Prize winners get hundreds of thousands of dollars as part of the prize. Perhaps they should pass the hat at their meeting to take up a collection for the world's poor and dispossed. Oh, but no, they'd rather the USA pick up the tab?

That's the first thing that crossed my mind. They could start something like Gov. Huckabee's "Tax Me More Fund."

10 posted on 12/07/2001 5:17:11 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: denydenydeny
Global Warming Solution
Place all left wing liberals in a deep freeze.The amount of hot air trapped and sealed will fix the climate for many years to come.
11 posted on 12/07/2001 5:17:27 PM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: Alas Babylon!
It has been demonstrated that Nobel prize winners, like lottery winners, tend to go to seed after they have made the big score (Really. Research productivity typically drops to zero.)

As for Desmond Tutu and Michael Gorbachev, who really gives a damn. Neither one knows squat, and the politics of chemists is equally irrelevant.

12 posted on 12/07/2001 5:17:33 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: NativeNewYorker
YAWN! So what the hell else is new?
13 posted on 12/07/2001 5:20:05 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: BrooklynGOP
Sheepshead Bay, where my parents lived the last decades of their lives, is one of the great neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

I LOVE the bitchy waitresses at El Greco on Emmons Avenue. :)

14 posted on 12/07/2001 5:20:29 PM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: ambrose
We must end the Martian Global Warming problem NOW!

But it's impossible to conduct class warfare on Mars, which is all these closet Marxists are doing.

15 posted on 12/07/2001 5:21:05 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: WarPaint
"Maybe I'm just an arrogant American, butwho gives a sh*t!" A...FReeping...MEN!!!
16 posted on 12/07/2001 5:22:15 PM PST by harpu
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To: NativeNewYorker
Hey, Nobel prize winners! Go save some whales! And if you'd shut your collective yaps, greenhouse gasses would be cut in half.
17 posted on 12/07/2001 5:23:04 PM PST by IronJack
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To: hinckley buzzard
the politics of chemists is equally irrelevant.

Hey. :-)

Actually, mine seem to be generally welcome here.

As to what I think of the opinions of people who have won the Nobel Prize for (haha, smirk) Sociology or Feminist Underwater Basketweaving, etc... Well, I could not possibly care less what some doddering superannuated irrelevent foppish masturbators have to say about condemning my country for not cutting its throat by subscribing to Junk "science".

18 posted on 12/07/2001 5:26:15 PM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: NativeNewYorker
I LOVE the bitchy waitresses at El Greco on Emmons Avenue. :)

Oh, no! El Greco :) I spend countless days there, when I was in high school.

19 posted on 12/07/2001 5:32:29 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: NativeNewYorker
Well, I note that according to the attendance figures, about 100 Nobel Laureates DID NOT sign the appeal--so the fact that 100 of them DID sign, is hardly earth-shattering.

I too would like to see the list of signees and what they were given the Nobel for (hard science vs "economics, literature, and peace").

20 posted on 12/07/2001 5:41:25 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: NativeNewYorker
More than 100 Nobel laureates have signed an appeal criticising the climate change and missile defence policies of the United States under President George W Bush.

Which re-affirms my belief that the Bush stance is the correct one. Bunch of socialist pigs!

21 posted on 12/07/2001 6:07:02 PM PST by Major Matt Mason
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To: NativeNewYorker
How can such brilliant minds be mere inches away from such foolish mouths?
22 posted on 12/07/2001 6:12:35 PM PST by yooper
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To: Gorzaloon
Actually, mine seem to be generally welcome here.

Mine too...
(Not quite yet a full-fledged chemist, though, but an undergrad :-))

23 posted on 12/07/2001 6:20:51 PM PST by jude24
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To: NativeNewYorker
Advice to the Nobel Laureates...Take the money...shut up and run. Nobody cares who you are and by next week very few will remember who you are.
24 posted on 12/07/2001 6:24:28 PM PST by Don Corleone
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To: Alas Babylon!
I agree. Although in addition to giving their money to the poor masses of the world they should also move to these poor countries and help first hand. Of course, putting your money, or way of life, where your mouth is ain't always easy. Bozos!
25 posted on 12/07/2001 6:24:49 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: NativeNewYorker
Implementing NMD would violate the ABM treaty. Polyani said the September 11 attacks on the United States had shown that national missile shields could not offer complete protection.

by the same reasoning, let's take seat belts and air bags out of autos; they do not offer complete protection, either.

26 posted on 12/07/2001 6:29:20 PM PST by ken21
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To: NativeNewYorker
and disenfranchised majority

Floridians?

27 posted on 12/07/2001 6:32:37 PM PST by riley1992
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To: KantianBurke
More formally, if person A is not qualified to make reliable claims in subject S, then the argument will be fallacious.

Not quite: then the argument may be still be valid --- randomy, perhaps. Remember that infoumous broken clock that shows time correctly twice a day?

Sincerey yours,
Nietzschean Jefferson.

28 posted on 12/07/2001 6:33:07 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: ken21
by the same reasoning, let's take seat belts and air bags out of autos; they do not offer complete protection, either.

Yes, lets have our government give us complete protection. (Soft walled cells for us all)

A big yes I agree to all on this thread who could care less what 100 Nobel prize winners think. Also remember that Alfred Nobel established his prize with the money he made for the discovery of high explosives.

29 posted on 12/07/2001 6:39:09 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: NativeNewYorker
The USA has done more good for the globe than the rest of the nations put together. Screw 'em. None are as blind as those who won't see. Those guys can go back and tinker with their test tubes and story books.
30 posted on 12/07/2001 6:40:03 PM PST by oyez
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To: oyez
Rush L said today that Mars is warming, and ice areas are melting. Anyone hear more about this? He stressed that the SUN is surely causing any warming currently. He said there are no SUV's on Mars.
31 posted on 12/07/2001 6:48:04 PM PST by Minnesota Lady
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To: TopQuark
By that logic, any idiot's opinion on atmospheric physics and geo-political security would have some level of veracity! Sorry but unless one has an educated background in specific subjects they should be derided for speaking out about things they know nothing about.
32 posted on 12/07/2001 6:55:03 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: Minnesota Lady
He said there are no SUV's on Mars.

Actually there is at least one. The Mars Rover. But it's pretty "green" and quite small, using solar power I believe to charge batteries. The Russians/Soviets may have something there with wheels, but I can't recall one way or another. Knowing them, if they do, it probably used a nuclear reactor, or a thermoionic generator, which still uses nuclear fuel, but only decay processes not a chain reaction, sort of like trititum sights.

33 posted on 12/07/2001 7:00:07 PM PST by El Gato
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To: NativeNewYorker
I lived in Red Hook in Brooklyn and in other parts of Brooklyn when I was a younger person, starving artist and rock and roll drummer and I loved Brooklyn. Brooklyn is Great. Great Italians and great Italian food and groceries.

But isn't Chuckie Schumer from there? Boo, hiss!

34 posted on 12/07/2001 7:12:09 PM PST by garyhope
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To: jude24
Actually, mine seem to be generally welcome here. Mine too... (Not quite yet a full-fledged chemist, though, but an undergrad :-))

Chemist are the Freeper's Friends!

We expose nonsense like "Depleted Uranium", Anthrax Cures, Kyoto Hysteria, Hydrogen Energy (Winner of the "Pull It, Sir" Award for Science Fiction) -I should know, I worked on DoE contracts in this field and attended the seminars!

We offer a counterbalance to the idiocy disseminated by "Journalists" who avoided Science courses at all costs.

There are no Cliff Notes for Science.

35 posted on 12/08/2001 4:45:21 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: KantianBurke
By that logic, any idiot's opinion on atmospheric physics and geo-political security would have some level of veracity!

From the standpoint of logic, yes! When you studied algebraic equations, for instance, your teacher probably pointed out that one way to solve an equation is... to guess the values of the roots. I may not be a historian at all, but when asked, "In what year did the Turks cocur Constantinople?", I may start guessing and come up with an answer: "1453." Which happens to be correct.

The reason people would not typically consult me about history is not the lack of logical possibilities. Rather, it is that the expected value of my answers is low. Since I am not an expert, the chances of my answers to be correct are slim. In contrast, a historian, although not perfect, gives us a high expectation of accuracy. That is why we utilize experts --- in professions, in courts, etc.

In sum, the reason lie not in logic but in the economics of our behavior: the costs of disregarding expertise are too high.

36 posted on 12/08/2001 5:32:49 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Aside from the fact that Global warming, if it exists, is most likely a result of changes in solar output. It is funny that the people who fret about our collective energy consumption, consume vast amounts of energy flying around the world, to congratulate each other, and lecture the peons about our profligate energy consumption.

I'm guessing the Nobel Lauerate Milton Freidman didn't sign this document.

37 posted on 12/08/2001 5:45:23 AM PST by Leto
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To: NativeNewYorker
More than 100 Nobel laureates have signed an appeal criticising the climate change and missile defence policies of the United States under President George W Bush.

THe smart asses who isolate America, they do not know what they are doing. Smart asses got their laureate wings through stubborness, and their unrepenting stubborness and their stubborn stupidity are showing big time.

38 posted on 12/08/2001 5:49:32 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: NativeNewYorker
Um, how many of these Nobel losers got their prizes in science, and how many got theirs for literature, world peace, whatever? I think that should have been in the article. Then again I don't think you win the Nobel in science anymore for bucking the establishment, do you?
39 posted on 12/08/2001 5:51:40 AM PST by JenB
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To: garyhope
Chuckie was the Congressman for my old Brooklyn neighborhood til he evicted Damato to become the Empire State's Senior Senator.

His politics are loathesome, to be sure, but he at least "represents" in a literal sense, his constituents.

ThatWoman (D-NY) OTOH couldn't find Flatbush Avenue if her pathetic existence depended on it.

40 posted on 12/08/2001 4:31:13 PM PST by NativeNewYorker
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