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The great Koran con trick
New Statesman (U.K.) ^ | 12/10/2001 | Martin Bright

Posted on 12/10/2001 6:58:49 AM PST by Pokey78

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To: Lent
'I don't know what persecution you're talking about.

You were baking cookies for Chelsea with Hillary, I guess.

161 posted on 12/10/2001 3:56:32 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: Lent
That is what I am suggesting. A total seal. It would be interesting to see some informed discussion of this by military and economic experts. I myself have not seen any. All I have seen is my own posts about it. That is a nice start, but I want more. :)
162 posted on 12/10/2001 4:02:02 PM PST by Torie
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To: Lent
gee look how many are saying these things. They must be on the side of truth.

And your argument is, gee look how much better our weapons are. They must be on the side of truth.

The others hoped that the war of destruction against Israel would be successful.

I have met people who were expelled, and they "hoped" for no such thing.

Israel's historical situation is not like what occurred in Canada and the U.S.

Then don't bring it up in the first place, you idiot.

I don't know what persecution you're talking about

You mean you don't want to. The Israelis have a rather effective policy of shooting at and otherwise harassing journalists who seek to cover such events, and what is reported is far less than what is not.

163 posted on 12/10/2001 4:05:16 PM PST by AGAviator
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To: Torie
'A total seal'

Would your vision of a total seal include keeping IDF troops out of Palestinian areas? Would it include a no fly zone for Israeli jets and helicopters to overfly and bomb Palestinian areas?

164 posted on 12/10/2001 4:06:06 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
Yes, the idea would be to limit Israeli activities in the West bank, and the interaction between Israelis and Palestinians at any time, or anywhere. Most of the settlements would have to be abandoned. But the Arabs will not be happy, because all of Jerusalem and suburban Jewish settlement areas would be within the seal, as well perhaps as a bit more along the 1967 border where desirable for security. The Arabs within East Jerusalem would become Israeli citizens if they chose to say.
165 posted on 12/10/2001 4:11:52 PM PST by Torie
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To: AGAviator
And your argument is, gee look how much better our weapons are. They must be on the side of truth.

???

I have met people who were expelled, and they "hoped" for no such thing.

I'm still waiting for that published book complete with documentation. Was it one or two by the way?

Then don't bring it up in the first place, you idiot.

Follow the bouncing ball shill Musli idiot.

You mean you don't want to. The Israelis have a rather effective policy of shooting at and otherwise harassing journalists who seek to cover such events, and what is reported is far less than what is not.

Are you denying the free press in Israel? Sounds like something only a blind-bat Musli shill would propagate. Insofar as the journalists are concerned. So you saw a documentary about journalists under fire. Or maybe you just read the post about it. Israel has condemned any activity by its forces which jeopardizes these journalists. On the other hand, I noticed the biggest whiners were a couple of Palestinian photographers and "journalists". Sounds like they were itching to be martyrs.

166 posted on 12/10/2001 4:13:52 PM PST by Lent
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To: ArGee
I've read in other threads that the Surah are ordered based upon length, not time.
167 posted on 12/10/2001 4:14:18 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Lent
George Washington is not the be all and end all of American foreign policy

George Washington is the "Father of His Country."

Foreign policies serve countries. Countries take precedence over their foreign policies.

Like all Israel-firsters, you presume that America's purpose is to serve Israel's needs, through America's foreign policy.

168 posted on 12/10/2001 4:14:30 PM PST by AGAviator
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To: Torie
But the Arabs will not be happy...

Nor will they ever be. If you filter out the arabs from the Jewish communities, the jewish become 'pure' targets. Integration is essential.

169 posted on 12/10/2001 4:16:01 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: AGAviator
America's purpose is NOT to fulfill Israel's needs. But we will support DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS that are constantly under attack from non-democratic neighbors. Especially when attacked by suicicde kamakazee retards.
170 posted on 12/10/2001 4:19:34 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Torie
The problem is multiplied. Jerusalem will not be ceded to the Arabs. You can't isolate Jerusalem from terrorism infiltration. Moreover, the presumption is the settlement issue can be solved simply by vacating the settlements. In other words, another removal of Jews from their homes and businesses because of the Arabs with a solution which cannot secure isolation and the removal of terrorism no matter what. Israel is expected to unilaterally enact these processes but you can be sure most Palestinians and all the Arab Islamic States would not be satisfied.
171 posted on 12/10/2001 4:21:31 PM PST by Lent
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To: Torie
'But the Arabs will not be happy, because all of Jerusalem and suburban Jewish settlement areas would be within the seal,...'

Well you just shot your plan in the foot, didn't you?

Also noted, you want a total seal for Palestinians into Israeli areas, but 'limited' access to Israelis in the Palestinian areas. Please tell me WHO would be defining 'limited'. Yeah, I thought so.

172 posted on 12/10/2001 4:21:54 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: Lent
but you can be sure most Palestinians and all the Arab Islamic States would not be satisfied.

Nope, they won't. This is the unilateral solution. It only takes one to tango. We shall see how well other solutions work out, since mine doesn't seem in play just yet.

173 posted on 12/10/2001 4:25:38 PM PST by Torie
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To: AGAviator
George Washington is the "Father of His Country."

You Islam firsters just don't get simple analogies. If your daddy said he wanted you to be a ditch-digger and only a ditch-digger would you follow his word. I didn't think so.

Foreign policies serve countries. Countries take precedence over their foreign policies.

Foreign policies are an outgrowth of domestic needs, economic and otherwise.

Like all Israel-firsters, you presume that America's purpose is to serve Israel's needs, through America's foreign policy.

The U.S. never served Israel except in the fictitious minds of Islam firsters like you. The U.S. never fought for the Jews in the War of Independence. Never fought in the 67 War or in the Yom Kippur War. In fact, the U.S. has shed blood fighting for your Arab Islamic friends (Desert Storm) and the consistent object of your Islamic friends' terrorism.

175 posted on 12/10/2001 4:27:32 PM PST by Lent
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
My plan wasn't intended to please you. It was intended to be a plan which secured Israel's security while minimizing its casualties. Minimizing Palestinian casualties might be a collateral benefit, but is not a central consideration for me. I hope that helps.
176 posted on 12/10/2001 4:28:14 PM PST by Torie
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To: BenF; monkeyshine; Thinkin' Gal; DeckTheHallsHolly
"I haven't seen her (Patria One) since President Bush froze the assets of the Holy Land Foundation. Think there could be a connection?"

Perhaps this might explain her absence: "No current Freeper by that name." Try clicking on her screename and see.

177 posted on 12/10/2001 4:30:03 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Golden Eagle
If you filter out the arabs from the Jewish communities, the jewish become 'pure' targets. Integration is essential.

That doesn't make any sense to me. You are not suggesting that some terrorists attacks are not occuring because an Arab might accidentally be somewhere around are you? In any event, there are about 1 million Israeli Arabs who won't be going anywhere.

178 posted on 12/10/2001 4:30:49 PM PST by Torie
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To: beecharmer
And what's your issue with guys like Oz:

                                          Amos Oz

                                            (1939 - )


 

            Amos Oz was born in 1939 in Jerusalem. At the age of 15 he went to live on a kibbutz. He
            studied philosophy and literature at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, and was visiting fellow
            at Oxford University, author-in- residence at the Hebrew University and writer-in-residence at
            Colorado College. He has been named Officer of Arts and Letters of France. An author of
            prose for both children and adults, as well as an essayist, he has been widely translated and is
            internationally acclaimed. He has been honoured with the French Prix Femina and the 1992
            Frankfurt Peace Prize. He lives in the southern town Arad and teaches literature at Ben Gurion
            University of the Negev.

            Amos Oz has rooted his writing in the tempestuous history of his homeland. Through his writing,
            both fiction and nonfiction, runs a common thread: examining human nature, recognizing its frailty
            but glorying in its variety, Oz consistently makes the plea for an end to ambivalence, for
            dialogue, for a channelling of passions towards faith in the future. With an economy of words,
            Oz presents the people of Israel, its political tribulations and biblical landscape. Newsweek
            writes, “Eloquent, humane, even religious in the deepest sense, [Oz] emerges as a kind of
            Zionist Orwell: a complex man obsessed with simple decency and determined above all to tell
            the truth, regardless of whom it offends.”

            Books Published in Hebrew

            Where the Jackals Howl (stories), Massada, 1965 Am Oved, 1976
            Elsewhere, Perhaps (novel), Sifriat Poalim, 1966; Keter, 1989
            My Michael (novel), Am Oved, 1968; Keter, 1990
            Unto Death (novellas), Sifriat Poalim, 1971; Keter, 1991
            Touch the Water, Touch the Wind (novel), Am Oved, 1973
            The Hill of Evil Counsel (novellas), Am Oved, 1976
            Soumchi (youth), Am Oved, 1978; Keter, 1990
            Under this Blazing Light (essays), Sifriat Poalim, 1979; Keter, 1990
            A Perfect Peace (novel), Am Oved, 1982; Keter, 1992
            In the Land of Israel (essays), Am Oved, 1983
            Black Box (novel), Am Oved, 1987
            The Slopes of Lebanon (essays), Am Oved, 1988
            To Know a Woman (novel), Keter & Am Oved, 1989
            The Third Condition (novel), Keter, 1991
            The Silence of Heaven (literary criticism), Keter, 1993

            Books in Translation

            Selections available from Amazon.com in our bookstore:

            A Perfect Peace. Harvest Books, 1993.
            Black Box. NY: Vintage Books, 1989.
            Don't Call It Night . CA: Harcourt Brace, 1997.
            Elsewhere, Perhaps. CA: Harcourt Brace, 1985.
            Fima. Harvest Books, 1994.
            The Hill of Evil Counsel CA: Harcourt Brace, 1991.
            In the Land of Israel Harvest Books, 1993.
            Israel, Palestine and Peace : Essays. Harvest Books, 1995.
            Israeli Literature : A Case of Reality Reflecting Fiction. CO: Colorado College, No Date.
            My Michael. NY: Vintage Books, 1992.
            Panther in the Basement. CA: Harcourt Brace, 1997.
            The Slopes of Lebanon. NY: Vintage Books, 1992.
            Soumchi. CA: Harcourt Brace, 1995.
            The Tanner Lectures on Human Values 1994. UT: University of Utah Press, 1994.
            To Know a Woman. CA: Harcourt Brace, 1992.
            Touch the Water, Touch the Wind. CA: Harcourt Brace, 1991.
            Under this Blazing Light. NY: Cambridge University Press, 1996.
            Unto Death. CA: Harcourt Brace, 1978.
            Where the Jackals Howl. NY: Bantam Books, 1982.
 

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/oz.html

179 posted on 12/10/2001 4:34:09 PM PST by Lent
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To: Torie
My 'pleasure' is the least of your concerns. And I suppose you don't really need to be so concerned about Israel either, since you're here ... safe as a bug in a rug while your counterparts take the flak of Israel's failed policies. So go there. See how well your 'plan' would be accepted, by either side. BTW, its so kind of you to take 'minimizing' Palestinian casualties into consideration while securing the safety of the Israelis.
180 posted on 12/10/2001 4:38:20 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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