The great Koran con trick

New Statesman (U.K.) ^ | 12/10/2001 | Martin Bright

[Golden Eagle]

Not really. I'm talking more about missles carrying chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. Concentrated target, and with little or no colateral damage.

[Bush2000]

Maybe we'll get lucky they'll drink poison brew en masse.

Jim Jones, where are you when we need you? Why couldn't these idiots be Kool-Aid drinkers instead of airplane crashers?

[Torie]

See how well your 'plan' would be accepted, by either side.

Stay tuned. Another 5 years of this, and my plan might look awfully attractive to the Israelis. I suspect it would scare the shit out of the Palestinians.

You see, it is all about alternatives. My plan sure ain't perfect, but it may be less imperfect than all the others (unless of course the Palestinians in good faith and all sincerity suddenly accept the Barak plan - fat chance, in part, but only in part, because no one is in charge there to accept anything that they could make stick).

[Torie]

OK, fair point, but you really don't think the fact that some Arabs might be killed would slow the perps down for a second in obliterating Tel Aviv if they had the means. It would happen tomorrow.

[DonQ]

This is no secret. There are Arab families that display as heirlooms the keys to houses their ancestors had in Spain. The refrain is that this, too, is "occupied" by infidels.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

'But we will support DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS that are constantly under attack from non-democratic neighbors.'

And we will do everything in our power to prop up the 'kingdoms' of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to prevent the possibility of democracy with representative governments breaking out there, won't we?

[Golden Eagle]

There's much less of a chance, because whoever did it would immediately condemmed by most of the rest of the civilized world as a fanatic - willing to kill their own innocent people. Alternatively, there could be comparatively little outcry for 'an attack on Israel.'

[Focault's Pendulum]

Just nice to see religion, once again, being a unifying factor in the course of human events.

[Golden Eagle]

We would only be blamed for 'colozination' or 'nation building' if we supported overthrowing totalitarian governments for democratic ones. If arabs feel they need some sort of 'cause' though, this is what they should be concentrating on.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

Another five years of this and there won't be any Israel. There's no way (short of nuking them) to stop people who are willing to face certain death to accomplish their goals. Nuke Palestine and Israel is history as well.

There are already 114 nations condemning Israels brutality toward the palestinian people. That number will grow as the killing gets worse. Only America and Australia are vocally standing behind Israel. As the situation gets worse, America will lose more credibility with the world. That is what should be every American's concern.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

'We would only be blamed for 'colozination' or 'nation building' if we supported overthrowing totalitarian governments for democratic ones.'

Pulling our troops out of Saudi would constitute 'colonization'? The only thing that keeps that totalitarian regime intact is our troops, and I suspect you already knew that.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

I hate to bow out of this scintilating discussion, but if I don't go eat right now this may very well be my very last words in this life.

[Lent]

There are already 114 nations condemning Israels brutality toward the palestinian people. That number will grow as the killing gets worse. Only America and Australia are vocally standing behind Israel

Oh yes. Interesting how you pseudo-American firsters attack the U.S. when the U.S. doesn't go along with the international cabal. And yet you attack the U.S. when it plays along with the globalists and internationalists - part of your "America first" baloney. Do I call this duplicity on your part because Israel benefits from this lack of internationalist sympathy?

[BenF]

She's resurrected herself as beecharmer. Some people you just can't get rid of no matter how many times you ban them.

[Golden Eagle]

As the situation gets worse, America will lose more credibility with the world. That is what should be every American's concern.

I'm much more concerned about the people in this world who want to pacify suicidal maniacs attacking innocent civilians than I am about what others think about American's position on it.

[VOA]

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[Torie]

You've got to be kidding. Why was she banned though and Fred25 came back? However execrable Patria's views, and false and misleading and unbalanced her commentary and links, at least she is on topic, sort of, and I don't think engages much in personal flames (not that I read everything she wrote which was quite voluminous). As for Fred, well, whatever (unless you want to buy a condo somewhere, or are into casino gambling).

[BenF]

Why was she banned though and Fred25 came back?

I can't answer that question.

However execrable Patria's views, and false and misleading and unbalanced her commentary and links, at least she is on topic, sort of,

Oops...way off base on this one. What she does is attempt to hijack a topic and change it to her favorite one - bashing Israel. I have never found her to comment on the content of an article. Instead, she will waste all kinds of bandwidth posting an article of her own WITHIN ANOTHER THREAD rather than starting a separate thread where she and those who agree with her could bash the Jews to their hearts content.

and I don't think engages much in personal flames (not that I read everything she wrote which was quite voluminous).

She's toned down the personal flames act in favor of bashing Israel with lies and propaganda straight from Nazi-themed web sites.

As for Fred, well, whatever (unless you want to buy a condo somewhere, or are into casino gambling).

No comment.

[AGAviator]

Foreign policies are an outgrowth of domestic needs, economic and otherwise

There is absolutely no "domestic need, economic or otherwise" served by America's underwriting of this country. None.

George Washington was the "father" of America and he did enunciate a crystal-clear foreign policy. He did not defer giving foreign policy advice for someone more "learned" on the subject than him, like, say, Marc Rich, Jonathan Pollard, or yourself. George Washington's foreign policy advice is: Mind your own business, and don't be a "slave" for loving another country too much or hating another country too much. By taking sides in humanity's longest-running tribal war we are going against the First President's explicit foreign policy advice. Those who go against this advice are the ones who are "anti-American." You want to hijack this country the same way Al-Quiada has taken over Afghanistan, only with far more subtlety and success.

The U.S. never served Israel except in the fictitious minds of Islam firsters like you

"Serve" is defined in the English language, as "to be of use."

Every time America vetoes a Seccurity Council resolution, or otherwise uses its political and economic influence to prevent actions taken against this state, it is "serving" ["being of use to"] this country. It further "serves" Israel ["being useful to"]by providing weapons, underwriting its civilian economy so it can produce even more weapons, and turning a blind eye towards any injustices the regime perpetrates even when they directly conflict with explicit American principles, and even American laws.

[Torie]

Well, you follow things Patria more than I do, that's why I asked you. Frankly a lot of this historical stuff doesn't interest me much. The Jews are there now, they are going to stay, the Arabs are where they are, and that is what must be dealt with, with a view for anyone decent that is focused on how both can live in some semblance of peace and long term security. Litigating human history is a non starter for me.