Posted on 12/10/2001 6:58:49 AM PST by Pokey78
There is no doubt that the early Moslems must have been versed with the Torah. I doubt that Moslems today understand the story of Moses or Abraham, since they are not allowed to read the Old Testament.
It's a democracy and a source of intelligence in this area. Good enough for most Americans.
George Washington was the "father" of America and he did enunciate a crystal-clear foreign policy. He did not defer giving foreign policy advice for someone more "learned" on the subject than him, like, say, Marc Rich, Jonathan Pollard, or yourself. George Washington's foreign policy advice is: Mind your own business, and don't be a "slave" for loving another country too
All given with your simplistic and incoherent understanding of the growth of the U.S. internationally.
Every time America vetoes a Seccurity Council resolution, or otherwise uses its political and economic influence to prevent actions taken against this state, it is "serving" ["being of use to"] this country.
The U.S. vetoes lame-brained resolutions from your hero-club the U.N. Big deal.
and turning a blind eye towards any injustices the regime perpetrates even when they directly conflict with explicit American principles, and even American laws.
Sounds like the U.S.'s relationship to the Saudi dictatorship. No Israel issue here.
Call it whatever you want. The UN created Israel. But when the UN castigates Israel for its inhumane behavior toward the people who were uprooted by that creation, Israel tells the benefactors (creators) to sit on it and spin. This is not duplicitous? America doesn't need Israel, nor does it need the UN to guarantee its existance. Israel needs both and has no respect for either.
The U.N. didn't "create" Israel. It was the kind of Resolution which was not implementable by force. That's why no country would help Israel when it was attacked by the several Arab Islamic States who rejected the Resolution and the British refused to help in its implementation. The Jews alone tried to use the rough boundaries suggested by the Resolution. If the Jews would have lost not a tear would have been shed by the International Community and the Arabs would have been happy they had driven the Jews into the sea.
. But when the UN castigates Israel for its inhumane behavior toward the people who were uprooted by that creation, Israel tells the benefactors (creators) to sit on it and spin. This is not duplicitou
The U.N. is a cabal of misfits, globalists, poverty pimp countries, Islamic hell-holes, etc. Most of these countries point their hypocritical fingers at Israel while under their noses exist nothing but cesspools of demagoguery and exploitation.
America doesn't need Israel, nor does it need the UN to guarantee its existance. Israel needs both and has no respect for either.
Just as I figured. A pseudo-American firster parroting the usual drivel of anti-Israel propaganda.
Are innocent civilians only Jewish? There are no innocent Muslim civilians (like say, five year old children)? Are you an American?
Standard M.O. Once you people get whatever it is that you want out of whomever you want it, you cast those very same benefactors into the roll of misfits, not worthy of respect. Can't have a pimp without a whore, can you?
Looks like the only pimping I see here is the pimping for Islam which you are engaged in. Oh yes, got to use the cover though of "America First" anything to hide the pro-Jihad take on Israel.
That is extremely interesting, and something I have not heard mentioned before in any summary of Islam!
I still have to wonder how the Qur'an is filled with discussions about people who have rejected Islam when Islam was born with the Qur'an.
Shalom.
Israel is NOT a democracy for most of its non-Jewish population. Our whole problem is it is NOT a democracy for two million plus people inside its borders, and at least a million more who have been forced to leave.
And where was the "intelligence" on the 09/11 attacks? A rather huge shortcoming. The "source of intelligence" is a mixture of facts and propaganda about countries which would never dislike us to begin with, if we didn/t underwrite their adversary.
All given with your simplistic and incoherent understanding of the growth of the U.S. internationally.
It is your misunderstanding of what America is, that is "simplistic and incoherent." America does not exist for any other regime. Islam was in just as many countries in 1789 as it is today, and its scriptures have not changed from 1789 to today. The only thing that is different is the introduction of a huge irritant backed to the hilt by the US right in their back yard.
The founder of America did not see fit for this country to oppose any people. Nor did he advocate "isolationism." He proposed "the hand of friendship and commerce to all nations."
The U.S. vetoes lame-brained resolutions from your hero-club the U.N. Big deal.
The "hero club" founded the Zionist state to begin with, and was cited by America in its attacks on an Iraqui regime that is adversarial to that country. Time to ignore those resolutions too.
Sounds like the U.S.'s relationship to the Saudi dictatorship. No Israel issue here.
Two wrongs don't make a right. No Israel issue here.
Why is it that just about every decision made by our bought and paid for congress MUST in some way, benefit this tiny mini-state or their campaign funding is jerked? I really couldn't care less who wins/loses in the middle east. I say, jerk the foreign aid to both sides and stop weaponizing one side against the other. Balance. Otherwise there will always be terrorists who will do what ever it takes to even the score.
Yes it is.
And where was the "intelligence" on the 09/11 attacks? A rather huge shortcoming. The "source of intelligence" is a mixture of facts and propaganda about countries which would never dislike us to begin with, if we didn/t underwrite their adversary.
As much intelligence as other allies who didn't forsee specifically but considered generally that the Jihad would come to the shores of the U.S. as it did in 1993 initially.
It is your misunderstanding of what America is, that is "simplistic and incoherent." America does not exist for any other regime. Islam was in just as many countries in 1789 as it is today, and its scriptures have not changed from 1789 to today. The only thing that is different is the introduction of a huge irritant backed to the hilt by the US right in their back yard.
America exists because of its Open Door Process which involves the search for markets and the protection of those markets by force if necessary. Islam is the irritant. Always has been to Christians and Jews and will always be.
The founder of America did not see fit for this country to oppose any people. Nor did he advocate "isolationism." He
proposed "the hand of friendship and commerce to all nations."
The founders of America forsaw global markets and those who came after followed through with that vision.
The "hero club" founded the Zionist state to begin with, and was cited by America in its attacks on an Iraqui regime that is adversarial to that country. Time to ignore those resolutions too.
No it didn't. The Resolution was non-binding and could not be enforced militarily. The Jews alone carried out the process of independence. You might benefit from some more reading.
Two wrongs don't make a right. No Israel issue here.
Israel is a "right" the Saudi regime is a "wrong".
Life under an occupying foreign power is not democracy. Israel is an occupying power in the Palestinian Territories which routinely deprives their inhabitants of life - by killing them in reprisal attacks, and liberty - by subjecting them to arbitrary detentions, curfews, and restrictions of their movements. Theirs is not in any way a free and democratic existence.
As much intelligence as other allies who didn't forsee specifically but considered generally that the Jihad would come to the shores of the U.S.
If the most critical piece of intelligence in the last 50 years wasn’t forthcoming, the “alliance” has been useless. Especially so when the attackers claimed to act from hostility towards the “alliance” and its numerous injustices it has perpetrated during the last century.
Furthermore jihad has not come to this country. A small group of international criminals came here.
America exists because of its Open Door Process which involves the search for markets and the protection of those markets by force if necessary
Your ignorance of American history is total and absolute.
The “Open Door Policy” refers to immigration of people into this country, not the export of goods from this country. The two couldn’t be more different.
Further, you can't have markets without having products to sell. Under the leadership of the globalists including both Bushes, American manufacturing has been exported overseas, and America has become a consumer country - a market - instead of a producer country - an exporter. There are no “markets” to “protect.”
This is one reason why the American economy won't be able to sustain the weight of being the world's policeman, without America's explicit assistance of other countries building up both their economies and our own in the process.
Lastly, your suggestion that America has the right to impose its products on other nations and people at gunpoint (“protection of those markets by force”) throughout the world would be ludicrous, except that it’s entirely in keeping with your other delusions about America’s rightful role in the world.
OTOH it could be just one more example of your pseudo-intellectual use of words beyond your capacity to understand.
Islam is the irritant. Always has been to Christians and Jews and will always be.
The founding fathers saw no need for any global alliance against Islam or any other people or religion. America did fight a war against some state-sponsored pirates in North Africa, and after their surrender this country went right back to minding its own business
Israel is a "right" the Saudi regime is a "wrong"
Oh, but we have an “alliance” with Saudi Arabia. You know, “the search for markets and the protection of those markets by force if necessary.” And “intelligence.”
Hahaha.
The State of Israel is a democratic state.
If the most critical piece of intelligence in the last 50 years wasn’t forthcoming, the “alliance” has been useless. Especially so when the attackers claimed to act from hostility towards the “alliance” and its numerous injustices it has perpetrated during the
last century.
A critical peice missed by our other allies, the British, Germans, etc. I guess all the Western alliances are useless as well.
Furthermore jihad has not come to this country. A small group of international criminals came here.
Yes it has. Your Islamic friends hopped aboard the Jihad train bound for the U.S. The Jihad kills around the world. Usually Christians but sometimes Jews as well. The international criminals are also Islamicists.
Your ignorance of American history is total and absolute.
The “Open Door Policy” refers to immigration of people into this country, not the export of goods from this country. The two couldn’t be more different.
Your ignorance is beyond comprehension. That's why I don't care to type to you and listen to your garbage. You have no comprehension of U.S. history. I'm now laughing that you think the Open Door refers to immigration.LOL! The Open Door Policy was a policy debated in the latter part of the 19th century premised on the Open Door Notes. The basic premise was the extension of U.S. interests abroad internationally through the opening of markets and economic spheres of interest. The "Open Door: won out to the closed door types (isolationalists). Since you can't get by this simple historical issue it seems to me you don't know a single thing of what your yapping about except to superficially mouth a few sayings of Washington.
Lastly, your suggestion that America has the right to impose its products on other nations and people at gunpoint (“protection of those markets by force”) throughout the world would be ludicrous, except that it’s entirely in keeping with your other delusions about America’s rightful role in the world.
Markets can only be protected by force AS NECESSARY. Moroever, you moved the issue to one involving a defacto U.S. foreign policy to your own self-indulgent moralistic clap-trap. Who cares about your notions of "right". I sure don't.
The founding fathers saw no need for any global alliance against Islam or any other people or religion. America did fight a war its own business
I don't know what your talking about but it sure isn't the subject under discussion.
Oh, but we have an “alliance” with Saudi Arabia. You know, “the search for markets and the protection of those markets by force if necessary.” And “intelligence.”
I never impugned alliances based on the reality of realpolitik. It is you who have taken a simplistic moralizing approach. The U.S. should make alliances based on the realities on the ground as well as supporting and moving those realities to democratic processes. I know. Too complex for your simple understanding.
Since millions of non-Jews who live its borders and under its occupation don’t have democratic freedoms, for America’s purposes it isn’t a democracy any more than the Soviet Union was a democracy because the Politbureau decided things by consensus.
I guess all the Western alliances are useless as well
The other allies have more to offer us than non-existent “intelligence” which you claim is the benefit of associating with Israel.
Your Islamic friends hopped aboard the Jihad train bound for the U.S. The Jihad kills around the world. Usually Christians but sometimes Jews as well. The international criminals are also Islamicists.
In Logic 1A, you will learn that “All jihadists are Islamic” doesn’t equate to “All Islamics are jihadists” however you define that.
The Open Door Policy was a policy debated in the latter part of the 19th century premised on the Open Door Notes
The “Open Door Notes” refer only to one country, China. America didn’t become a world power because it had free trade with China.
“Open-Door Policy” is a universally-accepted synonym for free immigration. You equivocate on the definition of “Open Door Policy.”
Open-Door [Immigration] Policy Here
Open-Door [Immigration] Policy Here
Markets can only be protected by force AS NECESSARY.
Markets “protected by force” are tyranny, not “free trade.”
Who cares about your notions of "right". I sure don't.
Those other 114 countries, along with their inhabitants.
I You don't know what your [sic] talking about
I never impugned alliances based on the reality of realpolitik…The U.S. should make alliances based on the realities on the ground
Realpolitik says to dump Israel. But that’s a little too harsh, so the next-best thing is to either make them conform to Western norms in every respect, or declare them a rogue state and take appropriate political, economic and ***other*** actions as necessary.
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