[BenF]

She's resurrected herself as beecharmer. Some people you just can't get rid of no matter how many times you ban them.

[Torie]

You've got to be kidding. Why was she banned though and Fred25 came back? However execrable Patria's views, and false and misleading and unbalanced her commentary and links, at least she is on topic, sort of, and I don't think engages much in personal flames (not that I read everything she wrote which was quite voluminous). As for Fred, well, whatever (unless you want to buy a condo somewhere, or are into casino gambling).