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VANITY - Interesting article for Kennedy conspiracy buffs
A site I found while surfing ^ | N/A | Brian Downing Quig

Posted on 12/11/2001 2:43:05 PM PST by Bill Rice

....At the time Col. Prouty retired from the U.S. Air Force, in 1964, he was the liaison between the Secretary of Defence and the CIA Director, Allen Dulles. Prouty was in a unique position to perceive what was going on in the CIA and what pressures were on President Kennedy. On frequent occasions, Prouty would work out of the home of Secretary of State John Foster Dulles with the Dulles brothers on fast breaking world affairs. Allen Dulles was the CIA Director that John Kennedy fired after the Bay of Pigs fiasco who sat on the WARREN COMMISSION. All knowledgeable researchers place the Dulles brothers within the circle of the conspirators.

If we only knew then, what we do now, it would have been easy to identify the other conspirators. Lyndon Johnson lived across the street from J. Edger Hoover for 22 years in Washington D.C. Johnson was associated with Jack Ruby in Dallas. Hoover attended the meeting at the Clint Murcheson ranch, along with Richard Nixon and high ranking military, where the last minute details of the assassination were worked out. Richard Nixon first told the FBI he did not remember where he was when JFK was murdered. Then he said he was in Dallas but flew out an hour before the shooting. He lied. Executives at the PEPSICO meeting attended by Nixon related that not only was Nixon there when the shooting happened but Nixon was the only person who wanted to go on working after the shocking news of the President's death.

At the street level below these conspirators we find the CIA Bay of Pigs operatives Frank Sturgus, Jack Youngblood and E. Howard Hunt being photographed in the famous "tramp photos". These three suspects were arrested in a boxcar which was parked behind the grassy knoll picket fence over which the fatal shot was fired. These 3 assassins were released after 15 minutes by the FBI without being finger printed, photographed or identified and were last seen leaving Dallas in a police squad car. As a litmus test, any documentary which omits these photos is probably a fraud. These photos have never been shown by the mass media to the American public.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: jfk; jfkdallaslho
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To: archy
So who IS the guy with the white hanky in his pocket?
This is interesting, but it's no fun guessing.
21 posted on 12/11/2001 4:12:41 PM PST by Bill Rice
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To: Bill Rice
Tourist guy maybe?
22 posted on 12/11/2001 4:14:02 PM PST by jedi150
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To: ladyinred
Lawyers Visiting Oswald Family To Verify Authenticity of Spy Camera
EXCLUSIVE - ONLY ON NEWSCHANNEL 8
November 14, 2001 9:40pm

Tulsa Man Discovers What May Be Assassin's Spy Camera

Tulsa (AP) - Did a Tulsa man find a spy camera that once belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald? We have a follow-up to Tuesday night's special investigation. Joe San Miguel believes he did and he may have the pictures to prove it. NewsChannel 8 spoke to San Miguel again earlier this week. Investigators are still in New Orleans meeting with cousins of Lee Harvey Oswald. But, it looks more and more like the camera did belong to the infamous presidential assassin.

It's been more than a year and Joe San Miguel is still waiting -- waiting to see if the Minox spy camera actually belonged to Oswald.

"If we can verify it, or even if we can't, it's still coming to a boil," he says. "It's pretty exciting."

And it's been a long road. Joe discovered the spy camera taped to the back of a dresser drawer bought at a Salvation Army store in Dallas. And Dallas is where the mystery began.

Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed President John F. Kennedy in 1963. That's the same year scratched on the film. Also, police records show a camera exactly like it was removed from Oswald's belongings, but somehow disappeared.

San Miguel traveled back to Dallas to have those pictures developed and we were there. The images were old, in black and white and seemed to show various people. But who are they and who might know?

"We got to meet Marina Oswald. I don't know if that's her name now, Lee's widow, and that was real exciting to talk to her for probably a couple of hours," Joe said. "She was surprised."

The pictures are in the process of being copyrighted and once that process is complete, we hope to be able to show them to you.

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Nothing further on this so far, as far as I know. Det. Gus Rose of the DPD did discover a MINOX spy camera in Oswald's seabag in the Paine's garage on the afternoon of the assassination, but it disappeared from the evidence. Det. Rose testified there was film in the camera.

This could be just a hoax or it could be Oswalds camera. A MINOX doesn't mean Oswald assassinated JFK, but it does have implications wrt to whether or not he was involved in intelligence.

23 posted on 12/11/2001 4:16:19 PM PST by top of the world ma
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To: archy
I went surfing for "Barry & the the boys". They have an official website for the book
24 posted on 12/11/2001 4:16:21 PM PST by Bill Rice
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To: Bill Rice

25 posted on 12/11/2001 4:18:55 PM PST by archy
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To: Bill Rice
BUMP
26 posted on 12/11/2001 4:19:48 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: Bill Rice
Geezus, guys, break out the foil pisscutters and give it up.

Lee Harvey did it his ownself....plain, simple, and closed book.

As Bill Clinton has been known to say, "put some ice on it, and move on...."

27 posted on 12/11/2001 4:22:41 PM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: Bill Rice
So you buy what the Dallas Police Dept. says about it?

If you simply refuse to accept valid evidence on one hand, and fully credit rumor and nonsense on the other, how do you expect to know the truth? You can prove anything with those methods.

28 posted on 12/11/2001 4:24:02 PM PST by mlo
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To: ErnBatavia
I myself have never believed in the whole conspiracy thing too much, except when it comes to this. I just don't buy a guy with a gun like that making shots like he did through trees. Nobody is THAT good. Of course, I'm more interested in the why than the how of the whole thing
29 posted on 12/11/2001 4:25:24 PM PST by billbears
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To: Bill Rice
mafia princess......i read that one.......
30 posted on 12/11/2001 4:27:36 PM PST by angcat
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To: top of the world ma
Michael Paine owned a Minox. It was Paine's garage in which Oswald had his stuff. The police took Paine's Minox.

I don't know what is up with this camera they supposedly found. The story says they got pictures, but are in the process of being copyrighted. But that is nonsense. There is no process. You just put a copyright mark on it, and optionaly file it with the copyright office.

31 posted on 12/11/2001 4:30:25 PM PST by mlo
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To: billbears
Only the first shot may have had a tree in the way, and it missed. The other two were clear shots.
32 posted on 12/11/2001 4:34:56 PM PST by mlo
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To: top of the world ma
Nothing further on this so far, as far as I know. Det. Gus Rose of the DPD did discover a MINOX spy camera in Oswald's seabag in the Paine's garage on the afternoon of the assassination, but it disappeared from the evidence. Det. Rose testified there was film in the camera.

This could be just a hoax or it could be Oswalds camera. A MINOX doesn't mean Oswald assassinated JFK, but it does have implications wrt to whether or not he was involved in intelligence.

More on Oswald's Minox and the FBI's demand that Gus Rose delete the camera from the list of property siezed from Oswald and purjure his sworn report *here* There's no doubt that the FBI was covering up certain details in the aftermath of the investigatrion; the question is whether it was FBI complicity or ineptitude that Director Hoover so desperately needed to keep hidden. But the FBI was hardly the agency with the most to lose, and none of their men in Dallas were reported killed on 22 November 1963....

-archy-/-

33 posted on 12/11/2001 4:35:25 PM PST by archy
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To: archy
The third guy is Howard Hunt. No doubt about it. I think that the second guy is Frank Sturgis. I don't know who the first guy is, but I bet that he's French.

Look at the upturned collar of his Izod shirt. Izod is a French company ("Chemise LaCoste"). Izods weren't popular in this country in 1964, especially in Dallas, especially among hobos. And an upturned collar! That wasn't the style in this country until the 70's and then just among a certain "in" crowd. No, that guy's French. And he really doesn't care who knows it because he thinks that he is "bulletproof."
34 posted on 12/11/2001 4:39:00 PM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: ErnBatavia
"Lee Harvey did it his ownself....plain, simple, and closed book."

And just how do you know that, again?

35 posted on 12/11/2001 4:45:45 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: mlo
Long time, no see, mlo! (BG) Where's Fred?

The FBI knew they had a prob with that camera. They came back later and asked the Paine's about a MINOX camera. He had one soaking in a coffee can in kerosine because he had dropped it in salt water and thought it was ruined. They took that camera and substituted it for Oswald's camera. The FBI tried to get Rose to change his testimony that he found a light meter, not a camera, but he wouldn't do it. He found the camera in Oswald's SEABAG not a coffee can. He remembered it because he associated his finding of the camera with one of the backyard photos of Oswald holding the rifle in the SEABAG.

I said this finding may be a hoax, didn't I?

The camera in the National Archives may be Michael's camera. They can't get it open to check the serial # against the one in the coffee can which serial # was recorded. However, Michael said on the Frontline program, that he got his camera back from the FBI and it was subsequently stolen from his workplace. How convenient! So we don't know what MINOX camera is in the Archives. But it's been examined by researchers and Gus Rose's initials aren't on it. He testified he and his partner, Stovall, I think his name was, marked it. Paine got back a light meter, too. It was stolen, too. If it was a light meter that Rose found, what would the Paine's lightmeter be doing in Oswald's SEABAG???

36 posted on 12/11/2001 4:47:26 PM PST by top of the world ma
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To: Iwo Jima

37 posted on 12/11/2001 4:48:57 PM PST by archy
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To: archy
Question. Which one are you identifying as Barry Seal?
In the book Coup D'Etat in America by Alan J. Eberman & Michael Canfield (which I bought in a "remainder" bin some time ago and don't know how reliable it is), the authors identify the "three tramps" as, from left to right in the picture you posted:
1) "Sometimes referred to as 'Raoul', 'Frenchy' or 'Dan Carswell' "
2) The tall one -- Frank Sturgis
3) Tramp in hat -- E. Howard Hunt
38 posted on 12/11/2001 4:52:01 PM PST by Marianne
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To: archy
That just goes to show that given any low definition photo you can find someone else with similar facial types. They aren't identical though. Look close and you can see that all those are different people.

The 3 tramps are a dead issue. It has been since the HSCA. See here

39 posted on 12/11/2001 4:54:51 PM PST by mlo
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To: Marianne
No. 1 has been called "Frenchy?!" Aha! See my post # 34.
40 posted on 12/11/2001 4:56:52 PM PST by Iwo Jima
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