Posted on 12/16/2001 4:23:26 PM PST by Wiley Sr
After my post, ONE DOWN TWO TO GO, I felt that an old press release from 1999 might be helpful.
PRESS RELEASE
July 4th, 1999, Independence Day, Pastor Wiley Drake, announced the forming of an organization called,
"AMERICANS UNITED FOR THF UNITY OF CHURCH AND STATE
The purpose of the group, pastor Drake said, is the following
"To return Church and State to the Biblical Foundation and principles which were understood by the Founding Fathers of America, and guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights", or as the Mayflower Compact read... for the advancement of the Christian Gospel.
Some of the projects planned for the near future are...
1.To encourage Churches to post The Ten Commandments.
2.To encourage local municipal buildings and offices to post the Ten Commandments.
3.Establishment of religious principles in political parties.
4.Re-establish the Bible as a public school textbook.
5.Assist voters to become registered, and help them know what Biblical character qualities to look for when considering a political candidate.
6.Provide public and private school teachers with materials that will assist them in teaching the religious and Biblical principles held by the Founding Fathers of America.
7.Provide public officials with materials that explain what they can legally do, in their public and private lives to re-establish Biblical and religious qualities of character.
8.Work to re-establish prayer in school based upon years of school prayer history.
9.Work and support the legality of student prayer at graduation ceremonies.
10. Work and support the effort to make it illegal to kill a human baby in the United States.
Contact pastor Drake, 714-522-7201 E-Mail,wileydrake~(hotmail.com
Do we put the Jews in concentration camps?
What about Indian Hindus? What about atheists?
See, the Founders didn't allow for the establishment of a "government" religion.
That was a very good thing, especially since I don't want anybody's "biblical principles" taught in a public school.
This isn't a trivial question. Parochial schools got started in the US in the late 19th century because Catholic schoolchildren in US public schools were forced to read Protestant versions of the Bible, and at that time it was considered wrong by Catholics to do so. This is why religion belongs in *religious* schools.
“The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One’s right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”
Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)
You would have hated the first 175 years of the USA in which this was never seen as a violation of the constitution. We have always been (until the 1960's) a nation in which public schools were profoundly Christian in nature - so much so that Catholics formed their own schools to avoid conflicts with their own beliefs.
Memorizing and writing bible verses was standard fare until the 1950's - the bible was assigned reading as a moral and religious textbook in public schools - universally.
ALL COURTS AND ALL LEGISLATIVE AND CONSTITUTIONAL HISTORY DEMONSTRATE CONCLUSIVELY AND UNDUBITIBLY THAT FUNDING OF LOCAL CHURCHES WITH TAX MONEY WAS LEGAL AND STANDARD IN NEARLY ALL OF THE ORIGINAL US STATES
State constitutions all prohibited "establishment" yet all of these states REQUIRED local communities to support through taxes the local churches.
The meaning of the word "ESTABLISHMENT" has been changed by the atheist ACLU and friends.
Then good riddance.
If you were Jewish, you'd think so too.
As a Catholic, I would not expect nor would I want my beliefs taught in a public school.
Why? Because I wouldn't want to have to be taught someone else's religious beliefs the next year.
You would have hated the first 175 years of the USA in which this was never seen as a violation of the constitution.
Slavery was constitutional too.
See, the Founders didn't allow for the establishment of a "government" religion.
Well I guess patriots like me are not wanted because I am buddhist.
Sheesh... and all that work for the past 30 years upholding my oath to 'preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic'. Oops.. That did say foreign and domestic, didn't it? I think the poster of this article is sorta sounding like an enemy of the first ammendment, therefore an enemy of the constitution!
Hey there, Wiley Sr, are you proposin' some type of American Taliban type government? I say 'go back to your cave'.
Norb in Jacksonville
You tell me if a child who is told that he can't even say "Merry Chirstmas" or read his own bible in school (instead of an Xmen comic book) does not understand this to be a condemnation of his religion.
This BS about not being able to say Merry Christmas is nothing more than people terrorizing others, using laguage as a weapon!
We live in a FREE & PLURALISTIC society, based upon respect for each other's rights to exercise FREE SPEECH. I say Merry Christmas to people everyday, it's my right of free speech and it has NOTHING to do with any religion, mine or theirs. It's our culture.
This PC crap will last only as long as we allow it to. I will NOT tolerate it one iota!
Merry Christmas,
Norb
But what about a child bringing in religious books or toys to his public school? If a child can bring in his favorite books or toys to play with at school, it only seems fair that if he chooses biblical ones they should be allowed.
BUT MANY SCHOOLS FORBID CHRISTIAN CHILDREN SUCH FREEDOM - they are forced to keep thie religion totally private. That is evil and unAmerican.
Why any rational person would want the public school system to teach or advocate ANY religion is beyond comprehension.
---max
I would tell the school that if favorites are allowed, then my kid will bring his favorite and if they don't like it, tough stuff.
Prosthelizing, though is different.
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