The Left blinds itself to the truth about bin Laden

The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 12/18/2001 | Robert Harris

[Cicero]

And the strange thing is that, although the left certainly loved Stalin, and wanted to live in the perfect Communist state of the future, they obviously don't love Islamic fundamentalists and wouldn't want to live under Islamic law. The only possible explanation for their blind irrationality in this instance is that they hate Jews and Americans so much that they prefer to back a bunch of crazy religious fanatics and woman haters--the kind of people they would normally deplore.

[Leisler]

If it was down to jews, americans and the taliban, the left would take the taliban. The communists and the fundamentalist islamists are our enemies. Fine. Clear enough. The left are our traitors, and I hate them the worse.

[marktwain]

I think it is a little simpler than that, and a little more desperate. The left invested their entire intellectual currency in the superiority of Socialism and Communism, and the evil of Capitalism and America. To admit that capitalism and America are superior leaves them intellectually bankrupt. The one thing they can not do is admit that they were wrong. To admit that would be to admit that their entire life was a sham and a disgrace, and that they have lied and cheated and stolen for nothing. It would be to admit the truth, that they are morally bankrupt.

They cannot do this, so they grab at any little thing, any little straw adrift on the tide to try to show that America is evil. It is their ownly way to avoid total meltdown of their philosophy of existance, the only way for them to lie to themselves that they were "doing the right thing".

[Robert-J]

I think that you and Cicero have hit the nail right on the head. I also think that your comments could equally apply to some libertarians.

[KSCITYBOY]

Hell the left supports bin laden's ideals.

[copycat]

Bravo!!! You have nailed it, and explained why they cling to their ideology so violently.

[Robert-J]

To admit that capitalism and America are superior leaves them intellectually bankrupt

True. And they still argue that communism is good in theory. They haven't given up on communism.

[copycat]

I also think that your comments could equally apply to some libertarians.

Please expound on this comment.

[Bush2000]

Shaw illustrated not only the worst aspects of Soviet propaganda but also the Left's inability to come to terms with the fact that Communism has been a failure everywhere that it has been tried.

[Robert-J]

Some of the islamic apologists at FR are libertarians. Like liberals, there is no reason for libertarians to support islam and its repressive regimes. Liberals are motivated by their anti-Americanism. Libertarians, who are disproportionately atheist, are sometimes motivated by their anti-Christian bias. Also, many libertarians simply don't believe in our federalist form of government as established by our Constitution. Many libertarians verge on anarchism. And that makes these particular libertarians anti-American.

[copycat]

Thanks, I was wondering how many twists there would be in your logic.

[Robert-J]

No twists. Just straightforward logic. Many of the libertarians I have encountered on this board are as anti-American and anti-Christian as many liberals. If you find that twisted, then think it through more carefully.

[nopardons]

Yes, exactly.

[copycat]

Also, many libertarians simply don't believe in our federalist form of government as established by our Constitution.

I find this twisted.

[Jack Barbara]

If it was down to jews, americans and the taliban, the left would take the taliban. The communists and the fundamentalist islamists are our enemies. Fine. Clear enough. The left are our traitors, and I hate them the worse.

Was I mistaken, or were all those Dade County voters actually Taliban pretending to be Gore supporters?

[Jack Barbara]

Easy to understand. The anti-Federalists were tin-foil hatted, Nazi/Stalinist/Fascist/Islamic, child molesting traitorous scum. Enough said. Support and love huge oppressive socialist government or leave.

[FastCoyote]

"I think that you (MarkTwain)and Cicero have hit the nail right on the head. I also think that your comments could equally apply to some libertarians"

I agree with the first sentence. However, the barb against libertarians is totally uncalled for, so here's a few verbal bombs back at you. The entire Bill of Rights embodies libertarian thinking, not conservative thinking (perhaps you want to throw it away?). There's nothing conservative about Freedom of Speech, it is a liberty. In fact, the Taliban are themselves a very conservative movement, not abiding religious or political dissent, perhaps conservatives here should admit their philosophical roots. Hey, the Taliban took away the guns of the citizens, repressed speech, etc. American conservatives would seem to have no problem with the same tactics here, as long as they can put their own holier than thou beliefs in power.

Us libertarian sorts don't have a problem with Christmas creches, war to protect the innocent, the right to bear arms and 80% of the the conservaative agenda. We don't even disagree on the the moral issues, just the means to obtain them. So, why don't you guys grow up.

[Billthedrill]

Many of the libertarians I have encountered on this board are as anti-American and anti-Christian as many liberals.

Anyone I know? Anyone at all?

[copycat]

Easy to understand. The anti-Federalists were tin-foil hatted, Nazi/Stalinist/Fascist/Islamic, child molesting traitorous scum. Enough said.

I have no idea what you're talking about.