The Left blinds itself to the truth about bin Laden

The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 12/18/2001 | Robert Harris

[Hugh Akston]

although the left certainly loved Stalin, and wanted to live in the perfect Communist state of the future, they obviously don't love Islamic fundamentalists and wouldn't want to live under Islamic law.

Don't be so sure about this. The further to the left you get, the less true this is. Check into what Ramsey Clark is into and what he says about Islam nowadays, for example.

[Robert-J]

Go to the evolutionist threads and read posts by libertarians.

[Billthedrill]

No, you made the claim. Provide a name or retract it.

[Robert-J]

And where did I make such a claim? Albeit, our Constitution has established a single nation with a distribution of federal and state powers. And many libertarians simply do not respect and honor our system of government with their near constant comments about jack booted thugs and the like falsely applied. My comments do not apply to all libertarians. Like liberals, they range from the modestly deluded to the bizarre.

[Robert-J]

I choose not to name names. And I will retract nothing.

[alloysteel]

What a strange alliance, the Left who would hate their neighbors and acquaintances (I hesitate to make any assertion that they might form a friendship with anybody) to the degree they would surrender their own freedom or look away willfully as others were trapped in intolerable situations. And the radical Islamic fundamentalists, who have foresworn any concept of mercy, or compassion, or simple human civility, to pursue their own warped concept of justice and religious transfiguration.

Two bunches of crazies who have found each other. The Left will continue to enable the plunderers of this world, and the plunderers will continue to make the Left into their first victims. Does this speak of some strange imbalance of brain chemistry? And could we ever find an antidote for these poisonous notions?

[Billthedrill]

Then I suggest that you are indulging youself in a little generalized smearing here, and this Christian patriot libertarian finds that sort of sad.

[denydenydeny]

Marxism Makes Way for Islam

The Third World's Love Affair With Islamic Fanatics

[Robert-J]

I have not smeared anyone. As I said, the libertarians on this board are disproportionately atheist. Leaning towards atheism, they tend to believe they are a law unto themselves. Rejecting not only illegitimate authority, but even legitimate authority, the extremists among them tend towards anarchism and rejection of the moral order.

This is the truth based on honest observation.

[copycat]

And where did I make such a claim?

I quoted you.

Although I have rejected libertarianism because of the nightmares regarding its' practical application, I agree with it in spirit, and find it to be closer to the original Constitution than other philosophies.

I find your attempt to bend a thread about "the Left" to a critique of libertarians to be telling and equivalent to Tabitha Soren bending every thread into an abortion screed.

I don't wish to argue libertarian politics with you, as I am not one, but am satisfied that with the posts you have made on this subject, others will surely take up the battle.

I recommend asbestos...

[Robert-J]

I think you confuse American conservatism with European conservatism. American conservatives believe in freedom of speech and liberty. But they also accept the concomitant responsibilities. Libertarians tend to believe they are a law to themselves. Conservatives believe in a higher, divine authority. The conservative scheme can endure. Like liberalism, libertarianism, if ever put into effect, would collapse on itself.

[copycat]

The left invested their entire intellectual currency in the superiority of Socialism and Communism, and the evil of Capitalism and America. To admit that capitalism and America are superior leaves them intellectually bankrupt. The one thing they can not do is admit that they were wrong.

This rings true. Why does the Left battle so hard? Fear is a powerful motivator.

[Robert-J]

Liberals and libertarians have one thing in common. They both reject the moral order. The liberals wish to invest the moral authority of God in the state. The libertarians wish to invest it in self. Neither scheme can work.

[copycat]

Liberals and libertarians have one thing in common. They both reject the moral order. The liberals wish to invest the moral authority of God in the state. The libertarians wish to invest it in self.

Self-governance? The horror...

[yooper]

Here's a blast from the past which appeared in the National Lampoon in the early 80's (and I'm going on memory here):

THE CHURCHILL WIT

Winston Churchill once received a pair of passes to the latest popular play then being performed in London. To the passes was attached a note which read, "Bring a friend, if you have one."

The note was signed George Bernard Shaw.

Churchill responded with his own note:

"Why don't you go F*#& yourself."

[Leisler]

You were not mistaken. They were talibans, homegrown. fingersnapping, pompous, arrogant, know it all's( my car won't start), pimps, whores, gladhanders, suckpumps and various circus performers of the radical tent big top. If only the red spot of foward justice would drop the daisy cutter of reality upon their soft bread brains. One can pray.

[Robert-J]

By the way, you did not quote me. Instead, you simply made some rather bizarre statements, and implied that these nonsensical statements had come from my previous post.

[Robert-J]

Your concept of self-governance is nothing more than moral anarchy. That is not the world I want for myself or my child. Libertarians are as potentially dangerous to society as are liberals.

[FastCoyote]

"American conservatives believe in freedom of speech and liberty."
So, it's your libertarian side that makes you human, thanks for the admission.
But they also accept the concomitant responsibilities.
Hot damn, because I'm libertarian, I don't have to accept responsibilities?! Does that mean I don't have to go to work tomorrow? I guess I can smoke pot all day and drink and whore around, what a relief. Look at all I've been missing" (typical moronic view of what libertarianism means)
Libertarians tend to believe they are a law to themselves.
Sort of like self-righteous conservatives, who after all is said and done like big government just fine.
Conservatives believe in a higher, divine authority.
And libertarians don't? Why your pomposity is showing.
The conservative scheme can endure.
like the Taliban endures.
Like liberalism, libertarianism, if ever put into effect, would collapse on itself.
And without the libertarian influences in the Constitution you guys would just be a bunch of Taliban wannabes.

[copycat]

By the way, you did not quote me. Instead, you simply made some rather bizarre statements, and implied that these nonsensical statements had come from my previous post.

In post 15, I quoted YOU in post 13. This is an easily checked fact. In addition, in your last post to me, by attacking me as a libertarian, you ignore the fact that I have clearly stated that I am not.

I cannot have a political discussion with a man who is ignoring reality. I believe I'll consider your other statements in the same light.

Thank you for the conversation...