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8 tragedies mar deer hunting in Wisconsin
Chicago Tribune ^ | December 17, 2001 | Julie Deardorff

Posted on 12/18/2001 9:07:24 AM PST by spunkets

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

STANLEY, Wis. -- The bullet, aimed at what looked like a white-tailed deer, struck its target with chilling precision. But as hunter Mike Berseth and his two buddies crossed a ravine and approached the lifeless figure, the thrill of the kill turned to shock and horror.

Lying on a gravel road was not a deer, but Berseth's 47-year-old neighbor, Debbie Prasnicki, who had been walking her two dogs near wooded Otter Lake on that chilly Saturday afternoon. She was wearing a white stocking cap when Berseth's bullet pierced her temple.


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There have been several threads regarding shooting reindeer, or elk that "look" like deer. This article illustrates the total lack of responsibility some folks have regarding thought and target recognition before pulling a trigger. Here a woman was shot in the head at 56 yds by some nitwit with a muzzleloader. No matter how good he is with placing his shots he should have identified the target first. Moving white things are not deer. Shadowy movement in the bush is not a deer. Cracking sounds are not deer.

These criminally irresponsible acts should be sanctioned as manslaughter, or negligent murder, else there is no motivation for the irresponsible nitwit to stop shooting at phantoms. All of the cases in this story, except the guy dropping his gun and shooting his toes off, are cases of shooting w/o knowing the identity of the target. One father here got the death penalty, 'cause he failed to instill in his 14 y/o kid the idea of responsibility.

In a case in VT, a few years back, some guy shot a lady who was gardening in her own fenced yard. The yard was on the outskits of town. The nitwit told the cops he thought the bow of her apron was a deer's tail! The guy got off and was set free. This kind of wreckless action is being used by the grabbers to paint all gun owners and hunters as negligent nitwits. It shouldn't matter whether it's orange or not, if it's not a positive ID, then don't pull the trigger. Mr. Berseth is moving away. When he leaves he should at least leave the proceeds from the sale of his house and belongings to the kids, whose mother he shot.

1 posted on 12/18/2001 9:07:24 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Berseth, who said he mistook Prasnicki for a deer, has not been charged with a crime, but the Chippewa County district attorney's office, located in Chippewa Falls, will decide whether charges are warranted after an investigation is completed.

When you fired a bullet, you own it. If someone gets hurt or killed by it, then you bear the responsibility.

Manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide should be the charges.

2 posted on 12/18/2001 9:20:22 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
"Manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide should be the charges."

It should be that way, but for some reason the prosecutors don't press it. They treat it like it's expected and just an unfortunate occurance that goes along with hunting.

3 posted on 12/18/2001 9:23:43 AM PST by spunkets
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To: FormerLib
Do you have any recommendations for drivers who drive vehicles irresponsibly while sober and not under the influence of any mind altering drugs or alcohol?

How many people died in traffic crashes in Wisconsin during the hunting season.

You sound like a gun control advocate to me. Ban guns and no one will die during hunting season. Great idea.

You do gooders make me sick when you concentrate on only one segment of social irresponsibility.

Crap happens and people die. What's your solution for every irresponsible manner in which people die at the hands of others? Get a life. You've got too much time on your hands.

4 posted on 12/18/2001 9:27:35 AM PST by UpstateNYRouser
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To: spunkets
Oh, my God!
5 posted on 12/18/2001 9:28:10 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: spunkets
I am the first one to stand up for the second amendment. The man who shot that woman didn't shoot at soemthing that looked like a deer. He shot at something that he saw moving, and I would like to see him charged for this senseless death.

My husband and I own a ranch in California's San Bernardino Mountains. We see game there all the time. More often though, we see trespassers, of the two legged variety. If we were to obtain a valid hunting license, and on our own property, shoot at something just because we saw movement, there would be a 90% probability that we would hit a human target, becase that is the ratio of humans to animals that we see.

Last year, my husband was at the Ranch, in the orchard, when we heard a loud gunfire. It was from so near that my husband actually felt the blast. Someone had blasted past our locked gate and no trespassing signs to hunt in our orchard. He was shooting at birds, and didn't even realize that my husband was only a few feet away (nor did my husband realize the hunter was only a few feet away).

Any time we take responsibility for a lethal weapon (a car, a gun, anything that can maim or kill) we should be held responsible for how we use it. Hunters like the one in the story, and like the one in our orchard give all of us second amendment rights people a bad name.

6 posted on 12/18/2001 9:35:48 AM PST by passionfruit
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To: spunkets
"He should have known and seen what he was hunting before he shot," said Janicki, whose family also hunts. "He should have looked."

Charges should be made against the killer. Otherwise, the careless are allowed to kill with impunity.

7 posted on 12/18/2001 9:38:30 AM PST by TheDon
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To: FormerLib
I would certainly agree that you bear the ultimate responsibility if you are going to pull the trigger, but consider the possible scenarios. This guy may have seen a white flash, and the rustling of the dogs (possibly large brown animals), Made a quick connection of color and movement and fired. This guy was negligent in not identifying his target, but should we really throw the hammer at him? Anyone familiar with the north woods knows that you barely set foot outside of your home without blaze orange anytime during season. Roaming about with your animals with a white cap on your head is cetainly not advisable. Unfortunate for all parties, but accidents do happen.
8 posted on 12/18/2001 9:39:24 AM PST by DancesWithTrout
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To: spunkets
Why I stay out of the woods during hunting season.
9 posted on 12/18/2001 9:40:16 AM PST by Valin
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To: UpstateNYRouser
The shooters in this story weren't paying any attention whatsoever. One guy shot a woman in the head at 56yds, thought she was a deer. Another father shot his kid when he stuck his head up.

If people drive like these people shoot, they should be charged with the same crimes. ie. manslaughter, or negligent homicide. These aren't accidents, they're displays of irresponsible behavior. If car your goes out of control, because you're driving irresponsibly, then you should be hit with criminal sanctions. Drinking has nothing to do with it. It's the driver!

10 posted on 12/18/2001 9:41:23 AM PST by spunkets
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To: UpstateNYRouser
Why the hostility? Nobody suggested banning guns or hunting, only that people follow gun safety rules. Don't you think people should be responsible for their actions? As Ted Nugent says, there is no such thing as an accidental shooting, only negligent shootings. If you go hunting (or any other shooting) you have an obligation know what your target is and what is behind it it. If you can't be sure, don't take the shot. Period. Idiots like these only give ammo (pardon the pun) to gunophobes and anti-hunters.
11 posted on 12/18/2001 9:41:32 AM PST by Hugin
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To: spunkets
Berseth, who said he mistook Prasnicki for a deer, has not been charged with a crime

Why ?

He should have at least gotten a criminally negligent homicide charge.

There was one here in NYS a while back - Father accidentally shot his son, friend went for help, father killed himself after they departed. What a nightmare -

IDENTIFY IDENTIFY IDENTIFY and then give thought to the trajectory before you squeeze the trigger

12 posted on 12/18/2001 9:43:47 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: UpstateNYRouser; FormerLib
Why jump down FormerLib's throat? He just said what is taught in any N.R.A. Safety Course.

Know your target and what is beyond. Be absolutely sure you have identified your target beyond any doubt. Equally important, be aware of the area beyond your target. This means observing your prospective area of fire before you shoot. Never fire in a direction in which there are people or any other potential for mishap. Think first. Shoot second.

NRA Gun Safety Rules

13 posted on 12/18/2001 9:46:55 AM PST by Polybius
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To: passionfruit
"we see trespassers, of the two legged variety."Yes, I've had a bead on a few of those during deer season. I kept my finger off the trigger until I had a positive ID it was a deer. Most weren't wearing blaze orange and they were sneaking in the bush, so as not to be discovered. Well they were and never knew to be grateful, I don't shoot at shadows, or twig snaps.

One group showed up while no one was home at the neighbors and killed a deer standing 12ft from their house. The bullets(2) when right through their house and left blood splattered on the outside wall. The creeps cleaned the deer right where they shot it and left the guts right there in a pile.

14 posted on 12/18/2001 9:49:55 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Aiming at the flash of white, thinking it was a white-tailed deer, means that the "hunter" was aiming at the deers butt. Now that sounds like a really good kill shot.
15 posted on 12/18/2001 9:53:07 AM PST by ThinkLikeWaterAndReeds
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To: spunkets
I am an avid hunter who hunts deer, moose, elk, bear, antelope, migratory and upland game birds, etc.

While I can understand the occasional accident where a gun dog steps on a trigger, or the hunter falls or gets a branch inside the trigger guard, I cannot understand or sympathise with anyone who shoots another in a case of "mistaken identity". Identifying ones target and beyond is so fundamental that no exceptions should ever be made.

In other words, if Bubba doesn't know exactly what he's shooting at, he shouldn't be pulling the trigger. If he decides to shoot anyway and ends up killing someone, he should be convicted of negligent homicide every single time, automatically.

My .02

16 posted on 12/18/2001 9:53:21 AM PST by Melinator
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To: DancesWithTrout
While she was unwise to roam around on gamelands during hunting season wearing a white cap, this hunter is totally at fault. Why would he shoot at the white if he thought it was the white tail of a deer. What kind of idiot shoots a deer in the @ss? I would bet that he has never been hunting before and should never go again and should pay for his negligence. Right from the beginning it cannot be stressed enough to always always always identify your target. If you think it is a deer, wait until you know it is a deer. This is pure negligence and not an accident. An accident would be if the woman was struck by a bullet a mile and a half away after a hunter took a shot at a real deer. I really wonder how many people who defend this as an accident even hunt?
17 posted on 12/18/2001 9:53:25 AM PST by Hard Case
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To: Hard Case
While my words certainly don't taste as good as the venison I have in the freezer, I feel I must eat them. You are right.
19 posted on 12/18/2001 10:00:11 AM PST by DancesWithTrout
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To: UpstateNYRouser
If that was your Mom or Sister, I’ll bet you’d feel differently. But then again...

Unfortunately for your argument, the gun banners aren’t after banning cars, they're after your firearms.

Irresponsible and INEXCUSABLE actions such as these just give the Libs more ammo and energy in their anti-constitutional fervor.

UpstateNYRouser, I hope you get that Prozac refill soon :-)

20 posted on 12/18/2001 10:09:00 AM PST by InkStone
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