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Arguing the Case for Southern Secession
Lew Rockwell ^
| 12/20/01
| Reviewed by Joseph R. Stromberg
Posted on 12/20/2001 4:01:19 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: shuckmaster
Thanks Shuckmaster .Beautiful website .
To: shuckmaster
I've already got the book, but here's a BUMP!
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To: shuckmaster
Some more of the "Lincoln = Satan" material that Lew Rockwell spends his time spewing. I find it amazing that some people still miss slavery. If you want to demonstrate real courage, why not go into Harlem or Detroit and loudly proclaim these beliefs. You should get an interesting reaction and the world will have one less libertarian traitor. A win-win situation.
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posted on
12/20/2001 4:12:15 AM PST
by
LenS
To: shuckmaster
In the late 1790s, The Federalist Papers, for example, laughed down the notion that the federal government could coerce states in their corporate, political capacityBump for historical truth and an excellent book. I think what upsets most yankees about this book is that Adams quotes from documented historical sources that the lincoln propaganda machine covered up for so long. The truth will come out
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posted on
12/20/2001 4:12:24 AM PST
by
billbears
To: LenS
"I find it amazing that some people still miss slavery"What the people missed was their personal freedoms that had just been won in the Revolution. Now here we are with another "King George" wanting political worship just like all the kings to be before him.
Our most recent King George W. looks like he is headed in the same direction. Here is what the war was really about.:
"Given that, Lincoln was very concerned about his tariff revenues in the absence of the Southern states. After Fort Sumter, the (Northern) President unconstitutionally established a blockade of Southern ports on his own motion. Soon, Lincoln had robbed Maryland of self-government and was making other inroads on civil liberty his idea of preserving the Constitution via his self-invented presidential war powers (of which there is not a word in the actual document)."
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posted on
12/20/2001 4:32:31 AM PST
by
tberry
To: LenS
I find it amazing that some people still miss slavery. If you want to demonstrate real courage, why not go into Harlem or Detroit and loudly proclaim these beliefs
How does trying to discover the truth about one of the most pivotal events in U.S. history amount to "missing slavery"? Virtually no one misses slavery. However, to blindy ignore a growing body of evidence that slavery was not "the" reason for the war, and may not even have been a primary reason, is to misunderstand history.
Since a good reason for understanding history is to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past...
And speaking of Harlem and Detroit, do you really believe that the problems in those areas is caused by a dying idea from 150 years ago? Is it at least possible that these areas are byproducts of the welfare state and increased federal control? Both of which are traceable back to the War Between the States.
To: babyface00
problems in those areas is caused
Oops, should have been "are caused". Sorry.
To: LenS
If you want to demonstrate real courage, why not go into Harlem or Detroit and loudly proclaim these beliefsTrying to incite a riot, eh? Problem is, many of those people cannot face the truth about the War.
Read the book. Mr. Adams addresses slavery and the causes of the War. I was impressed by his use of documented references - it's all there.
Give it a look - it's well done.
PS: Charles Adams is from the North.
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To: LenS
why not go into Harlem or Detroit
No thanks! Why not stay there yourself instead of bringing your bogus liberal puke bigotry South?
To: LenS
why not go into Harlem or Detroit and loudly proclaim these beliefsCan I take with me quotes from Frederick Douglass commenting on the number of blacks in the Confederate Army? How about documented Confederate army rolls with blacks on them, or black professors that have on their own mind you documented the importance of the black man within the Confederate Army? How about northern newspapers of the day condemning lincoln's actions? I'll even take the all holy Emancipation Proclamation, which if you would bother reading instead of blindly following a lie, didn't free anybody!! What about lincoln's quotes about not wanting to be painted with an 'abolitionist brush' or from his first inaugural address stating he would not try to block the original 13th Amendment making slavery perpetual?
Oh, yes, lincoln is my hero < /sarcasm>
To: billbears
To: LenS
To be honest Im always amazed and a little irritated at the amount of people willing to fight the Civil War over. However, I am a supporter of states rights, and the issue is very relevant to alot of legislation and programs that are being debated currently, so I do feel some points on that should be made.
The Civil War, though it acheived the positive goal of ending slavery and furthering the goals of freedom, was never actually fought because of the cause of abolition. Rather it was fought to keep the southern states inside the union because they were a signifigant source of capital.
I dont agree with the authors thesis that there is a legitimate case for southern secession. This has been argued before and the Constitution very clearly weighs in favor of the Union of States.
However, dont dismiss all of Rockwells writings so easily. He has, in the past made very interesting points on Federal/State-Local power sharing. And his writings, as well as the extensive Rothbard files he has on his website are worth further reading.
To: shuckmaster
Even the Northern newspapers argued for letting the South go peacefully. It wasn't until they understood that their monopoly on shipping would disappear, thereby devastating the Northern economy.
Of course, some folks think that the South leached off the North, and fought a war to keep us leaching off them. Makes sense to me. < /sarcasm >
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12/20/2001 5:18:09 AM PST
by
4CJ
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To: shuckmaster
Great Post! But of course your die hard butt-sucking Yankees will always want to ignore the truth! Like Len S does! He thinks its about slavery, when it was about rights! Pay him no mind, he probably lost his smarts because of all the Yankee Bovine Scatology he has been fed throughout the years.
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12/20/2001 5:34:14 AM PST
by
Colt .45
To: tberry
What the people missed was their personal freedoms that had just been won in the Revolution.
Except for those folks who didn't have any personal freedoms because they were owned by the people to whom you are referring?
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posted on
12/20/2001 5:49:48 AM PST
by
drjimmy
To: drjimmy, lens
Speaking for myself, I'm tired of most rational discussions of the War Between the States being filled with innuendo that to question the popular historical story is akin to promoting or endorsing slavery.
My personal research into this subject has convinced me that the South certainly had no illusions that slavery wasn't a dying institution and they certainly weren't fighting to preserve it per se. Lincoln's words indicated he wasn't intent on abolishing slavery, at least at the beginning of the war. There's documentation that slavery existed in the North and certainly in the West and that the Emancipation Proclamation did nothing for those slaves. There is documentation that riots in NYC broke out to prevent Union troops being sent to the South.
Lets see some documented facts, from the period just before the war or at its immediate start that bolsters any contention that the war was caused solely, or even mostly, to end slavery.
Why is the "slavery card" always pulled out instead of some cold hard facts?
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