Early Christians Hid The Origins Of The Bethlehem Star

New Scientist ^ | 12-21-2001 | Marcus Chown

[Paperdoll]

I agree with your concepts, but woollyone, how can anyone prove a negative?

[Syncro]

I didn't read the article, but how do you "hide" something in the sky?

Even if they used whiteout, it would still show up.

[Syncro]

LOL Geeze, if only I would have posted my Post earlier you both would have been satisfied...heh

Now that would be a miracle.

[Paperdoll]

Thank you, my dear brother in Christ. May God in all His glory continue to pour His blessings down upon you.

[narses]

Ping.

[jocon307]

"Atheism makes no rational sense."

Agreed, it makes no sense of any kind. If there is one belief system I don't understand AT ALL it is atheism. How can one believe that we are put on this earth and go through all our emotions and care about things like art and this is all for nothing? It is all just a big ACCIDENT!?!?!

I don't get it. I can certainly understand not believing in one religion or another, I can understand not believing in any "religion" at all, but I cannot understand not beliveing in God the creator.

[Mr. Lucky]

Because the birth of Christ was a miracle, God certainly could have advertised it to the Magi by angelic, or miraculous, means.

[billbears]

We live in a world ruled by physics - stars don't just pop up out of nowhere and go away.

No we live in a world ruled by physics for God's creations, but not for God. If God chose to put a star up and then take it away, it would be well within his power to do so. I can't fly without assistance of some sort. With your logic, does that mean that Christ did not ascend into heaven as the Bible stated that He did?

[freedom44]

Magi weren't astrologers they were Zoroastrians. Magi is the literal name for the Priest in Zoroastrianism. In fact, their Priests are still called Magi.

That's where the word Magic and Magus came from.

[Flying Circus]

The co opting of Pagan holidays has little to do with the selection of December 25 for the celebration of Christ's birth. The date rather rests on an estimation of the conception of John the Baptist. John the Baptist's conception is believed to have been in the fall around the vernal equinox (October 25). The annunciation to Mary occurred six months later (Feast day March 25) and Jesus would be born 9 months later on December 25.

This date was also supported by the ancient belief that great men died on the same date they were conceived. The date of passover the year Christ is believed to have have died was March 25.

[Aquinasfan]

That's where the word Magic and Magus came from.

Thanks for the info!

[adam_az]

"With your logic, does that mean that Christ did not ascend into heaven as the Bible stated that He did?"

Since I'm Jewish, that's an affirmative, sir. :)

Even if He did put a star up there and take it away - it could only happen within the laws He had created.

It gets even more interesting when you realize that He would have had to create the star millions of years earlier so that it's light would reach Earth at just the right time.

If that's the case, there goes the concept of free will... it's predestination all the way.

[Graymatter]

It's hard to believe the Magi wouldn't know a star from a conjunction. Now a supernova, that might impress them. The Chinese records have one appearing in the spring (March/April) of 5 BC.

[thefactor]

Wow. Three year old bump. It's from "Christmas Vacation" BTW. I know you don't really think it's Rebel.

[Paperdoll]

You're right, it was a wild guess. Just sounded like something James Dean would have said. Not familiar with
"Christmas Vacation", so sadly failed your test,TF.

[SunkenCiv]

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