Britons '200,000 Years Earlier Than First Thought'

Ananova ^ | 12-21-2001

[SunkenCiv]

:’) Yeah, RW hasn’t been online in, well, probably years.

[blam]

"Surprising what you find when digging around in your DNA. I remember when you found out you were a Lapp, in Part. "

Yup. That sure was a surprise. I learned that from the 12 marker test through my mother.

I recently completed a 37 marker test and it's leading to some connection to the Lumbee Indians on my dad's side.. I never thought bright blue eyes and blonde hair would lead there....even so, I anxiously await my casino 'cut'.

[blam]

"That family didn't travel much did they?"

I've always teased him as a 'stay-at-home' boy.

My dad's mother, Mrs Smith, is related to him with the same DNA, U5a. See here.

[blam]

"Got me! I was glad to see RightWhale posting again but then I looked at the date."

I miss him. He told me he had high cholesterol and heart problems....then one day, he's gone.

RIP RW.

[Little Bill]

I am going to do the 37 marker myself. I found I was 97% British Isles which I wasn't surprised about, but it is the 3% North African that has me puzzled.

I can prove Anglo Norman ancestry, triple checked, back to 1070, but where does North Africa come in?

[Publius]

There was a Moorish presence in Spain for about 800 years, and for a while it leaked over the Pyrenees into France until Charles Martel kicked them out.

[Little Bill]

The information I have points to Norway, maybe we have a 13th Warrior situation.

[Publius]

The Vikings sold their services as warriors to Byzantium for a while, so there could be a Middle Eastern connection to North Africa. Not too far from Byzantium was Baghdad, which had the leading university in the Middle East. Once upon a time, the Muslims actually had a respect for learning.

[Little Bill]

Could be, but when you start wandering across the Channel I would get into a non document wasteland, something I avoided.

I rely on a triple check on records.

[Sawdring]

I looked at his last post and maybe it was a new years resolution to keep off line. I’m staying positive!

[blam]

"I can prove Anglo Norman ancestry, triple checked, back to 1070, but where does North Africa come in? "

It is my opinion that North Africa, north of the Sahara was White during the ice age. For example, when the Greeks or who-ever it was, discovered the Canary Islands, they described Nordic type people living there. In fact, the Greeks and then the Romans went there and made slaves of these people...usually sex slaves because light skin/blonde hair was favored.

Anyway, did the White people in North Africa during the Ice Age become the Berbers(?) with the mixing of Blacks from the south?

Also, king Tut has R1b DNA.

[Little Bill]

I read about Tut, so it could very well be. Out of curiosity have you heard of a DNA thingy that is particular to people from Central England that makes them readily identifiable.

I have seen it mentioned but can’t find any info. You have been into this a lot longer than I, can you give some direction?

[blam]

"Out of curiosity have you heard of a DNA thingy that is particular to people from Central England that makes them readily identifiable."

Yes. In Stephen Oppenheimer's book, Origins Of The British, he describes such findings during his DNA studies for this book. Some are real interesting too. He poses a probable explanation for most but, some are complete mysteries.

He points out that when a DNA type arrives in an area that it survives and stays there for thousands of years. He could not find any DNA markers to identify the Picts...they must have been a cultural difference only.

[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from 12/24/2001. Thanks blam.