Posted on 12/24/2001 4:49:53 PM PST by dlt
Now you are grasping.
Grasping? But, why, ofcource.. How can you not blame the Jews? Keep whining.. People like you whine and look for others to blame for whatever goes wrong in the world.
You didn't exactly deny that many of your coreligionists feel offended by Christian references. But don't let that prevent you from posturing here.
People like you whine and look for others to blame for whatever goes wrong in the world.
Hmm, you just described yourself perfectly.
Freedom is slavery, War is Peace.
Your trying to avoid the issue of using BC/AD as insulting to Jews is obvious.
To me, what's important and revealing is the sentiment.
You have't provided proof to the above statement.
Hmm, you just described yourself perfectly.
Oh? I remember growing up in Ukraine.. Jews were blamed for the poor treatment of workers/peasants before revolution...(no wonder millions of them fled to America early 20th century!) Jewish woman shot Lenin.. Capitalism/zionism is the natural enemy of communism.. The reason why we still haven't reached communism is the Jews, etc,etc... Now that communism isn't cool anymore, comes out that all communists were Jews, and that even Lenin was supposedly partly Jewish! Cool! Blame the Jews! Whine..whine.. whine..
What are you talking about. The fact that I use BCE/CE on daily basis (and so do you) meets this issue head on.
Oh, because of an isolated incident which was condemned by everybodyyou are going to attribute it to all the Jews? Well, it was done for thousands of years, and most of the time there was no need to even have an isolated incident.... Why stop now? Blame the Jews!
Both the article and the letter that I posted provide AT LEAST cosiderable evidence. Are you religious at all?
Oh? I remember growing up in Ukraine.. Jews were blamed for the poor treatment of workers/peasants before revolution...(no wonder millions of them fled to America early 20th century!) Jewish woman shot Lenin.. Capitalism/zionism is the natural enemy of communism.. The reason why we still haven't reached communism is the Jews, etc,etc... Now that communism isn't cool anymore, comes out that all communists were Jews, and that even Lenin was supposedly partly Jewish! Cool! Blame the Jews! Whine..whine.. whine..
You, as a person, had little to do with what happened in the past, true. But you are quick to dismiss history just because you don't like the facts. (and yes, Lenin was quarter Jewish, not that it matters much).
The act was condemned, the sentiment is there. Deny, deny, deny.
Well, it was done for thousands of years, and most of the time there was no need to even have an isolated incident....
Whine, whine, whine.
Playing dumb, or being dumb?
Take a walk in Brighton Beach, get some fresh air, eat some "kopchenaya kolbasa".
Considerable evidence? As to what? That this particular teacher, in this particular school burned new testament and there was a great public outcry? I am not denying that. However, you trying to attribute that this is the policy/view of all Jews, is ridicilous. As I said before. Let us practice our own religion, and we don't care who you worship. You, as a person, had little to do with what happened in the past, true. But you are quick to dismiss history just because you don't like the facts. (and yes, Lenin was quarter Jewish, not that it matters much).
Ok. Please continue.. What exactly am I dismissing and which facts am I not liking? The only thing I am not liking is you trying to attribute this isolated incident to all Jews. As for Lenin being quarter Jewish.. well funny how those allegations didn't come about till AFTER the communism stopped being cool.
For "some" reason you only quoted half of this. So I'll quote the whole thing for you.. Still havent' mastered the art of cut and paste? Interesting how you decided to change the topic real quick.
Take a walk in Brighton Beach, get some fresh air, eat some "kopchenaya kolbasa".
Aaah. Wonderful. So at first Jews are bad because of their supposed beliefs and attempts to put Christians down, and now you are implying that Jews are just not Jewish enough. As for my personal Judaism. I try to keep kosher. I am not goign to lie that I have never had pepperoni pizza. But I am not into "kopchenaya kolbasa" and all that stuff. Pastrami is kosher, and I love it. Thanks for inquiring.
Damage control. Not a good story to come out. Now comment on the letter about "smack in the face".
I am not denying that. However, you trying to attribute that this is the policy/view of all Jews, is ridicilous.
Burning the New Testament is not the policy/vew of all Jews, and is not a Jewish policy at all. You adopted the Middle Eastern bazaar trader mode again, with your incomprehension and wild accusations.
As I said before. Let us practice our own religion, and we don't care who you worship.
Hey, likewise. Don't just try to remove symbols of this historically Christian European country that's offensive to your religion.
Ok. Please continue.. What exactly am I dismissing and which facts am I not liking?
For example, the Jewish involvemnt in the Bolshevik revolution.
The only thing I am not liking is you trying to attribute this isolated incident to all Jews.
I am trying to point out that hostility to Christianity is a wide-spread phenomenon, both among religious and atheistic Jews.
As for Lenin being quarter Jewish.. well funny how those allegations didn't come about till AFTER the communism stopped being cool.
Those aren't allegations but facts. Remember, the commies were internationalists and the ethnicity didn't matter.
Second half doesn't make any sense at all. You are using BCE/CE and that proves what?
Aaah. Wonderful. So at first Jews are bad because of their supposed beliefs and attempts to put Christians down, and now you are implying that Jews are just not Jewish enough. As for my personal Judaism. I try to keep kosher. I am not goign to lie that I have never had pepperoni pizza. But I am not into "kopchenaya kolbasa" and all that stuff. Pastrami is kosher, and I love it. Thanks for inquiring.
It was obvious that you are not very religious, with you growing up in Ukraine and all. The degree of your religiousness doesn't matter to me. Atheistic Jews are anti-Christian enough.
If the guy chooses not to use BC/AD, that's his business. Do you want me to force him? Do you want me to comment on every Jew? Look at the history, and look at the people as a whole. For example. Jihad/Terrorism in Muslims world is not an isolated incident. This is.
Burning the New Testament is not the policy/vew of all Jews, and is not a Jewish policy at all.
Good. We agree. Then why are we still on this?
Hey, likewise. Don't just try to remove symbols of this historically Christian European country that's offensive to your religion.
I wasn't aware that there was a movement amongst Jews to take out symbols out of this "historically Christian...". By the way, while most of the first americans were Christians, if I recall correctly, freedom of speech and religion were the first values as well. As for Judaism, nothing is offensive to our religion, other then others not letting us practice is.
For example, the Jewish involvemnt in the Bolshevik revolution.
I suspect that by this you mean that there were Jews amongst Bolsheviks? Sure, I don't deny it. Do you deny the russian involvement in the Bolshevik revolution?? Do you deny the Jewish involvement in the shaping of the capitalism system?
I am trying to point out that hostility to Christianity is a wide-spread phenomenon, both among religious and atheistic Jews.
Yes. You have been trying for a while now, yet I don't see any other examples other then isolated incident that you brought about here.
Those aren't allegations but facts. Remember, the commies were internationalists and the ethnicity didn't matter.
Now, you are the one acting like you are at a middle eastern bazaar. Internationalists? In theory? maybe. In practice? It said "Jew" in Jews' soviet passports. What's more, my father had to divorce my mom for 1 day, so they can remarry under her name so he could actually get into college (the dean told him flat out, that they are accepting any more of "his kind" that year).
Proves that I accept it. You are one who was asking me for my views on the dating systems.
It was obvious that you are not very religious, with you growing up in Ukraine and all.
Right. There were no functioning temples in Odessa (but plenty of churches. My mother walked me into one when I was about 7 to show me how people worship and how beautiful the art is).
The degree of your religiousness doesn't matter to me.
If it didn't, you wouldn't have brought it up. But you did.
Atheistic Jews are anti-Christian enough.
Interesting. So Jews are just hateful of Christians because of their genes? Very interesting. Weren't you the one arguing that a Jew is a religion, not an ethnicity? You people spin this so much, you get caught up in your own contradictions. Do you believe that the Zion protocols are true?
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