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You are trying to prove that what Osama says (to the West as you say) is insincere, by pointing out to what he says. I say that from what your heard him saying on a particular occasion doesn't prove that what he says on another occasion (to the West as you say) is insincere.

Also, I've read many times here that all Arabs and muslims in general hate Israel and dream about how to destroy it, and then the same people say that Osama couldn't possibly use that as a rallying cry (internally, not to the West, as you say), or that Osama is somehow immune to this reportedly universal Arab, and muslim in general, desease of Jew-hating.

Did you believe Bin Laden when he said that he didn't do it? Now that he says he did do it, and he did it because of Israel you believe him?

If Bin Laden did this because of Israel why not claim responsibility and say so right away. If not for our attack on him, this would never have come out, and we wouldn't even have "known" that was the reason for the attacks.

Do you think if the US cut off all ties with Israel, if we stopped the sanctions on Iraq and left Saudi Arabia, what would happen then? You think Bin Laden and his ilk would just pack up "allright, the United States has complied with all my wishes, they are no longer the great Satan, I will now give up my life as a terrorist and become an investment banker".

MadRussian there are some people who hate us. There are some people who we have to fight, there are some people we have to kill before they kill us, we cannot cave in to their demands. I come from a very large family, and a large part of that family is in the military. As of now, none of my friends or family are in harms way in Afghanistan. If this war on terror expands (and I think it will) they will be called up, and they will be put in harms way. You think I want to put my friends and family in danger? I don't. But there are some things worth fighting for. We have no choice but to find these SOB's in whatever God forsaken countries they are hiding and show them what Americans are made of. We will not bow down to the terrorists and their demands. This country will not run in fear of terrorism, we will not turn our back on our allies, and we will not let these evil terrorists dictate our foreign policy.

You call yourself an American patriot. American patriots do not use the words of our sworn enemy to further their agenda. You want the US to stop supporting Israel, do not use Bin Laden to further your goal. I have a good friend who is a staunch Buchananite, he supports the US cutting off all aid to Israel, he would never ever in a million years use Bin Laden to support his claim.