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Myth: The Founders Established A Wall of Separation Between Church and State
excerpt from the book Five Lies of the Century pp. 15-30 | 1995 | David T. Moore

Posted on 01/04/2002 6:53:58 PM PST by Sir Gawain

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1 posted on 01/04/2002 6:53:58 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Victoria Delsoul; sabertooth; rnmomof7; thinkin' gal; 2sheep; ccwoody; texaggie79; wyldkard; owk
Please read and bump. It took a while to type. I'm tired now.
2 posted on 01/04/2002 6:55:54 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: sirgawain
Freedom OF religion has been transmogrified to freedom FROM religion.
3 posted on 01/04/2002 6:56:17 PM PST by LEGACIES ARE FOR LOSERS
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To: sirgawain
Well, I guess you know enough to already have your asbesties on....
4 posted on 01/04/2002 6:56:35 PM PST by r9etb
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To: sirgawain; CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; susangirl; coteblanche...
Good work, gawain!

(((ping))))


5 posted on 01/04/2002 6:56:44 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: sirgawain
Hope you brought an Asbestos suit! You are really gonna get flamed by all of the status quo idiots that believe everything the Media tells them.
6 posted on 01/04/2002 7:00:19 PM PST by Destructor
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btt
7 posted on 01/04/2002 7:03:41 PM PST by fivetoes
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To: sirgawain
Major Bump
8 posted on 01/04/2002 7:04:52 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: sirgawain
"Numbered references available upon request."

Number 20, please.

9 posted on 01/04/2002 7:05:31 PM PST by toenail
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To: sirgawain
Good work. However I don't think this will change the minds of Christian haters here on FR or in the US population.
10 posted on 01/04/2002 7:05:58 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: sirgawain
Long before the Constitution, there was the New Testament. In it's pages you'll find a similar happening as you described above: the eroding of the essential, pure original message. One chip at a time...until it's no longer recognizable.

Truly, Jesus Christ is the ONLY person that ever lived who inspired such fervent and sustained attack. Mention His name specifically and state that no one can have a relationship with God unless they bow to Him and you'll WISH you were only dealing on the Conservative/Liberal front!

11 posted on 01/04/2002 7:06:29 PM PST by avenir
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To: sirgawain
Amen, Bro !


12 posted on 01/04/2002 7:07:37 PM PST by Texas Eagle
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To: RnMomof7
And I continue to wait patiently for information on The Church of the United States where the head of the church is also the President of the United States. Until I get that info, I'll concentrate on more pressing issues than the fradulent seperation clause.
13 posted on 01/04/2002 7:09:05 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: sirgawain
Sorry, but you must be mistaken. The humanists know everything there is to know, both seen and unseen.
14 posted on 01/04/2002 7:12:38 PM PST by copycat
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To: gov_bean_ counter
I am waiting for the first Methodist or Baptist or Presbyterian church to send its members out to hijack a plane or form an army.
15 posted on 01/04/2002 7:12:48 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: sirgawain
Well, sir, you never cease to surprise. Nice work.

Of course, as long as the atheist/libertarian wing continues wilfully to ignore the fact that their philosophy is built on Christian foundations, this article won't change any minds....

Not to mention that the supposedly libertarian glory days of the past were made possible because the population was largely made up of Christians whose beliefs required them to follow those rules.

16 posted on 01/04/2002 7:15:09 PM PST by r9etb
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"Long before the Constitution, there was the New Testament. In it's pages you'll find a similar happening as you described above: the eroding of the essential, pure original message. One chip at a time...until it's no longer recognizable."

That reminds me of a quote:

"It is not to be understood that I am with him (Jesus Christ) in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism; he preaches the efficacy of repentence toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it. Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. I separate, therefore, the gold from the dross; restore him to the former, and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, the roguery of others of his disciples. Of this band of dupes and imposters, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and the first corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus."

-- Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to W. Short, 1820. Thomas Jefferson, a Deist (not a Christian) was, of course, the author of the Declaration of Independence and of the Virginia Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom.

17 posted on 01/04/2002 7:16:58 PM PST by toenail
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To: sirgawain
Excellent!!

I like this:

The separation of church and state was so foreign to the roots of America that Congress even approved a special printing of the Bible for use in public schools. In 1781, a publisher petitioned Congress for permission to print Bibles. Congress not only approved his request but issued this statement in 1782: "The Congress of the United States approves and recommends to the people, the Holy Bible...for use in schools."12 Interestingly enough, that statement isn't included within the NEA policy handbook. When the congressional recommendation was challenged, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled, "Why not the Bible, and especially the New Testament, be read and taught as a divine revelation in the schools? Where can the purest principles of morality be learned so clearly or so perfectly as from the New Testament?"13

18 posted on 01/04/2002 7:18:07 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: sirgawain
For the past forty years the Liberals have been able to heavily influence legislation. The Liberals have managed to cram their beliefs down our throats because so many of us refuse to get involved.

In todays schools, it's OK to teach 6th grade students the importance of tolerance, Homosexual rights, same sex marriages, abortion rights and birth control. But if the teacher tries to teach about personal responsibilty or the common sense notion of being held accountable for your actions, he or she will most likely be suspended. Heaven forbid if the teacher mention GOD in the classroom, he or she will be terminated on the spot.

Look what our schools have become ever since GOD was thrown out of them!

19 posted on 01/04/2002 7:18:54 PM PST by MJY1288
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To: sirgawain
Thomas Jefferson to Danbury, Connecticut, Baptist Association, January 1, 1802
20 posted on 01/04/2002 7:19:06 PM PST by michigander
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