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Owner of A/C That Crashed Into Tampa Building Was Publically Pro-Arab!!!.
St. Pete Times ^

Posted on 01/05/2002 2:13:06 PM PST by MindBender26

Part of article from St. Pete Times after Sept 11.

"Robert C. Cooper, president of National Aviation Flight School and Aviation Rentals, stressed that the extra security cannot be done at the expense of those of Middle Eastern descent.

"I don't want to get involved in profiling," he said. "I have faith in my government. I have to work on the belief that my government has basis to allow them into the country and show them proper respect." end of article.

Cooper is head of National Aviation Holdings that owned A/C. Many Florida flight schools train Arab students. Wonder if comment was made so as not to p. off students. Wonder if Arab pilot flew A/C into building. THIS IS FR EXCLUSIVE!!!


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To: jmp702;registered
Hey you know what I heard/seen? You can link photos from Tripod and Geocities if you name the file with a .txt extension.

I haven't tried it, but have seen others on Fark do it.

161 posted on 01/05/2002 4:23:26 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: MindBender26
I'm sure it's been asked before, but what part of his statement was pro-Arab?
162 posted on 01/05/2002 4:24:07 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: MindBender26
Reading through late (sorry if this has been answered ad nauseum)... but for the record if it has not been said, technically the 172 RG is a retractible gear plane only in name. the mains stay down, only the nose retracts... It was created as a retractible training plane without the cost of the high-performance craft.

Not sure why it was important to the story for you anyhow... anyone with opposable thumbs can raise the gear.

163 posted on 01/05/2002 4:24:15 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: MindBender26
Light aircraft flying into large building = little damage to building or occupants & major damage to pilot. Little to no return on investment. What an idiot! Light aircraft don't make good weapons of mass destruction...unless you are carrying a nuke.
164 posted on 01/05/2002 4:24:31 PM PST by CarryaBigStick
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To: glassheart3
Should be interesting. One station says the Tower told him to land and he REFUSED. Another said he struggled to control the aircraft. Sheese. I seriously do not think this is an Al Queda/Taliban attack, so lets wait it out. Unless it had bio weapons onboard...hmmm...
165 posted on 01/05/2002 4:25:43 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: MindBender26
Why don't we wait and see what the facts are instead of ranting and raving like some hysterical woman?
167 posted on 01/05/2002 4:31:21 PM PST by Huck
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To: Huck
Why does it have to be a hysterical woman? I think FR demonstrates that the male is just as capable of hysteria.
168 posted on 01/05/2002 4:35:36 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: MinuteGal
In the fog of first reports, one station said the kid's name was Jay Bishop, now I'm hearing Charles Bishop. The mother and grandmother were both at the airport he took off from. One of these two females is reportedly named Karen Johnson.

One theory floating through my mind is that the kid's been taking lessons for two years. This means he started when he was 13.

Since the proprietor of the flight schools had Arabs training at his camps, could it be that an impressional boy like he was targeted for recruitment by some terrorists who lived locally and appeared to act and dress like "regular guys"?

How interesting this will be when the pieces start falling into place.

Leni

169 posted on 01/05/2002 4:40:41 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I guess it depends on how you define unfriendly (or what the definition of is is). Christians who criticize Catholics do so (for the most part) out of love, not hate. Do you honestly believe that Catholics in this country are (or ever will be) threatened by born again Christians?

"A thread like showcases the kind of idiocy that the left loves to paint conservatives with. We will be judged by the majority of people by the silliest minority we have here."

The left will demonize us, and some people will hate us no matter what. I do not expect anyone here to hide their views for fear of what the liberals will say of FR.
170 posted on 01/05/2002 4:43:04 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: HairOfTheDog
Why does it have to be a hysterical woman? I think FR demonstrates that the male is just as capable of hysteria.

No doubt about that. LOL. It's a figure of speech, and it's the more politically incorrect way of saying it, which fits into the FR motif, don't you think? Anyway, I could have just said " ranting and raving like a damned ass". Fill in your own favorite epithet ;-)

172 posted on 01/05/2002 4:47:19 PM PST by Huck
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To: MindBender26

Small Plane Crashes Into Building in Tampa After Making Unauthorized Takeoff

By Vickie Chachere Associated Press Writer
Published: Jan 5, 2002

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - A 15-year-old student pilot took off in a small plane without permission Saturday and crashed into a skyscraper after ignoring a Coast Guard helicopter's signals to land, authorities said.

The crash occurred after Charles J. Bishop's grandmother brought him to the National Aviation flight school for a 5 p.m. flying lesson, said Marianne Pasha, a spokeswoman for Pinellas County Sheriff's Office.

"The next thing the instructor knew he was gone," Pasha said.

Though terrorism was quickly discounted, the televised image of a plane blasting a hole in the side of a skyscraper was a chilling reminder of the World Trade Center attacks. The plane's tail dangled near the 20th floor of the 40-story Bank of America building.

One person was killed, but officials would not immediately confirm it was Bishop. It was unknown whether anyone in the building was injured.

Bishop, of nearby of Palm Harbor, had been taking lessons for two years, Pasha said.

Air traffic controllers at the St. Petersburg-Clearwater Airport notified the Coast Guard that the four-seat 2000 Cessna 172R had taken off without clearance, said Coast Guard Lt. j.g. Charlotte Pittman.

A Coast Guard helicopter intercepted the plane and attempted to give the pilot visual signals to land at a small airport, but he did not respond, Pittman said.

She said the plane was only a few yards from the helicopter when it was signaled to land. Pittman said she has no doubt the pilot understood what the Coast Guard helicopter was indicating.

Capt. Kirstin Reimann at the the North American Aerospace Defense Command said two F-15s were scrambled from Homestead Air Reserve Base as a precaution, but declined to say whether they reached the scene before the crash.

In Portland, Ore., where President Bush was touring a job center, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said "there is no indication" of terrorism.

He said Bush was briefed on the incident and that White House officials had been in touch with Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge and the Federal Aviation Administration.

Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the Office of Homeland Security, said there was also no indication that small plane crashes Saturday in California, Colorado and Puerto Rico were terror-related.

Eric Reyes, 25, said he was stopped at a traffic light when the Tampa plane crashed.

"I saw a big cloud of smoke," Reyes said. He said he saw one wing fall and hit the ground, followed moments later by the other wing.

The plane was owned by Clearwater-based National Aviation Holding Inc.

Hijacked passenger planes were used to collapse the World Trade Center towers and attack the Pentagon in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. A fourth hijacked plane crashed in western Pennsylvania.

Some of the pilots in the hijackings had been trained at Florida flight schools.

Bank of America, based in Charlotte, N.C., is the third-largest U.S. bank. It employs about 143,000 people and serves about 30 million households in 20 states.

Bank officials did not immediately return calls for comment Saturday.

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Associated Press Writers Jonathan D. Salant and John Solomon contributed to this story.

AP-ES-01-05-02 2032EST


173 posted on 01/05/2002 4:50:29 PM PST by michigander
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To: onyx, veronica
A thread that seems made for you to use in the future... lol.
174 posted on 01/05/2002 4:50:52 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: onyx, veronica
nevermind. Once I read the content of the first post, I realized that this headline was very misleading.
175 posted on 01/05/2002 4:52:57 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: cinciphil
Much of the current Islamic violence is coming from the Wahabbi sect of Saudi Arabia!

A very fundamentalist muslim ideology!

And very much at war with the other muslims!

The Wahabi and Muslim:
The Wahabi [bida'] (corruption)

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The Wahabi and Muslim:
The Wahabi
[bida'] (corruption)



The Wahabis believe that they are the only true Muslims because they uphold divine unity while other Muslims are idolaters who deserve to lose their lives and possessions. According to them, a person must not be considered a Muslim even if he pronounces al-Shahadatain, the two testimonies, that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his apostle if he also believes that he could be blessed by visiting the Prophet's mosque and ask for his intercession.

They maintain that any Muslim who professes such beliefs is an idolater whose idolatry is a worse kind than that of Pre-Islamic people who worshipped idols and planets.

In his book Kashful al-Shubuhat, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab called all Muslims, with the exception of his followers, idolaters about 24 times. Other labels he used to describe them were: heretics, idols' worshippers apostates, anti-divine unity, enemies of divine unity, Allah's enemies and perfidious Muslims in 20 different parts of the same book. His followers copied him in this practice.

It is essential to ask here if this doctrine was truly based on a consensus of learned scholars or is it a Wahabi bida' or corruption? Ibn Hazim, the well- known Sunni scholar, asserted that «a Muslim can not be called a heretic or a sinner on the bases of his opinions whether made in the form of a doctrine or a religious decree. After mentioning numerous religious scholars who endorsed this viewpoint he concluded that it was the consensus of all Companions who commented on it.»13

According to Ibn Taimia only the Khawarij judged other Muslims to be heretics on the bases of their sins and learned opinions or deductions.14 As such, the Wahabis have no precedent supporting this bida' except the infamous Khawarij.


176 posted on 01/05/2002 5:08:57 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Clara Lou;Angelique
Why??? I kinda like it!!! Kinda reminds me of three of my stingers!!!
178 posted on 01/05/2002 5:12:12 PM PST by SierraWasp
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To: dighton
How many people follow ANY faith or system in every particular, and to its logical conclusion?

probably only the truly pious or the maniacial imho

179 posted on 01/05/2002 5:15:10 PM PST by cinciphil
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for help making my point.....
180 posted on 01/05/2002 5:18:10 PM PST by cinciphil
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