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Removed agent honorable: Bush
Daily Telegraph (Australia) ^ | 08jan02

Posted on 01/09/2002 3:39:27 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie

US President George W. Bush is sceptical about American Airlines' claim that it removed an Arab-American agent in Bush's security team from a plane for being "hostile".

"I know the man, I am most appreciative of his service to me and my wife. He is an honorable fellow," Bush said.

"I would be surprised if he was hostile."

The US Secret Service, which is responsible for presidential security, said in late December it had launched an inquiry into why the agent, headed to Texas to protect a holidaying Bush, was removed from the aircraft.

The agent, speaking through his lawyers, said he was barred from the Baltimore (Maryland) to Dallas (Texas) flight because of his ethnicity, amid fears sparked by the September 11 terrorist strikes.

"If he was mistreated because of his ethnicity, I'm going to be plenty hot. That means angry," Bush said.

But he added: "I wasn't there, so it's hard for me to comment on something which I did not see."


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To: colorado tanker
Read the pilot's report...He was a cowboy making it up as he went. So, he screened out a United States Secret Service agent less than a week after his airline put Richard Reid on a plane.

I read the pilots report. The pilot knew what he was supposed to have in reference to the armed passenger. He couldn't read the paperwork for whatever reason. He judged the agent to be acting in a way not becoming of SS--maybe a little too insistent--I don't know.

But I bet that the pilot, whether he was in the air or sitting at home watching his company's plane hit the WTC on 9/11, has put himself in that cockpit over and over again and wondered what he would have done if his flight attendants necks were slashed and he was losing control of his craft knowing that all the passengers on board were his responsibility. Of course, the actual pilot of that plane probably didn't know that his craft was going to fly into the building-he may have been dead by then. But since this pilot was not on that flight, he might have briefed his crew, in flights he captained after 9/11, to use boiling water or the corkscrew as weapons; or the food cart to block the cockpit--what else could he do? (The doors are reinforced now) Don't you think that before every flight, he takes his job of securing his aircraft very seriously and when his flight attendants come to him with concerns, it's his JOB to make sure in no uncertain terms that the person in question is not a security risk? He wasn't convinced.

If the agent had crossed all his t's and dotted all his i's (both flights) and stayed in his seat with his bag without getting all trumped up and threatening, he would have arrived a day earlier in Crawford. For you to call the pilot a cowboy sounds derogitory (to him and to cowboys). Maybe you have facts I don't but you and One-Particular-Harbour and Dave S and Poohbah and the few others of you who yell "ground him, ignorant racist, cowboy, etc!" sound like you have some personal grudges that may be clouding your objectivity. We already know OPH is carrying a big chip.

My bet is the pilot "erred" on the side of caution. You and I both know he did the right thing.

Also, I think it was the day after Richard Reid pulled his stunt and scooted by all the security that you feel the pilot should have staked his trust in. The agent should have expected heightened security measures.

181 posted on 01/09/2002 9:17:39 PM PST by sandlady
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To: sandlady
Sorry, I don't agree and I'm really tired of "security" measures that don't make me one bit safer.

The paperwork screw-up was 100% American's. The Secret Service agent was bumped. The ticket agent didn't have a "fresh" form. So the American agent marked through the first flight number and wrote in the new. The Secret Service agent did not screw up his paperwork. I have asked seven ways to Sunday for people to look at this "form" and no-one will - please look at this "form." It asks for nothing the airline doesn't already know. The denial of boarding was pretextual. Why did the captain not talk to his own American Airlines employees - or did they lie to a steamed captain?

The "form" issue is b.s. You'll see from American's release of the witness statements by the time the final decision was made to refuse boarding the captain knew he really was a Secret Service agent. Boarding was refused because the agent allegedly became "abusive."

Believe me, if I'd been treated the same way by those clueless jerks I might have become a tad "abusive" as well.

182 posted on 01/09/2002 9:49:33 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"I know the man, I am most appreciative of his service to me and my wife. He is an honorable fellow," Bush said. "I would be surprised if he was hostile."

Geeee....Someone acting one way with the boss and acting another way when the boss isn't around. Nahhhhh...that never happens.

183 posted on 01/09/2002 10:05:39 PM PST by Samwise
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To: sandlady
Actually, there are FAA regs concerning armed passengers

Great, that sounds good to me, but I don't buy the regulation that pilots can't be armed.

184 posted on 01/09/2002 10:21:35 PM PST by duckln
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To: Who is George Salt?
Let's say the estimate is off  by a factor of 100.  Now we only have 4,000 to 6,000 Islamists to worry about. I see all those therapy sessions are paying off. Keep it up - soon you'll be ready for out-patient status.

Ok, lets say we're still off and cut the numbers by half.  Now there are only 2,000-3,000 Islamists to fear.  Have we reached a number you can agree to yet?

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
Download 8 Mb zip file here (60 minute video)

185 posted on 01/10/2002 3:02:23 AM PST by JCG
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To: Zorobabel
I agree. And having to have the #1 protectee defend you like that is NOT a career builder. He's done.
186 posted on 01/10/2002 3:15:42 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: okiedust
Thanks for that thoughtful reply. It's very hard to dispute any of the points you've made.

The big question remains, though; with so many people staying home, or driving, at what point does increasing airline security become counter-productive?

187 posted on 01/10/2002 3:17:21 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: colorado tanker
Captians are right not to trust off aircraft security. What you think you get past the gate guard at he WH and then can wander anywhere you want? The agent lost his cool over a minor, harmless incedent. Afterwards he involved his very busy boss, and threatened a federal lawsuit. He is way to emotional to be SS. If Clinon was president, I say keep him. Matter of fact make his entire detail full of suing, footstomping, badge and gun waving idiots. Maybe one of them would pull a Caligula.
188 posted on 01/10/2002 3:29:28 AM PST by Leisler
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To: UberVernunft
I wasn't even responding to any posts directed at citizenY2K.

Kind of ironic (or disingenuous) coming from you. Looking over your posting history you seem to have a strange obsession with racial issues. From my experience people who fixate on race invariably turn out to be a closet bigots.
148 posted on 1/9/02 6:00 PM Eastern by UberVernunft
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Welcome to FR. What brings you here - is the "Storm Front" website down?
133 posted on 1/9/02 4:07 PM Eastern by Who is George Salt?
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It's quite clear that YOU WERE.

BTW, what was your former screen name?

189 posted on 01/10/2002 4:36:02 AM PST by Who is George Salt?
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To: colorado tanker
Sec. 108.10 Prevention and management of hijackings and sabotage attempts. (a) Each certificate holder shall-- (1) Provide and use a Security Coordinator on the ground and in flight for each international and domestic flight, as required by its approved security program; and (2) Designate the pilot in command as the inflight Security Coordinator for each flight, as required by its approved security program. (b) Ground Security Coordinator. Each ground Security Coordinator shall carry out the ground Security Coordinator duties specified in the certificate holder's approved security program. (c) Inflight Security Coordinator. The pilot in command of each flight shall carry out the inflight Security Coordinator duties specified in the certificate holder's approved security program.
190 posted on 01/10/2002 4:39:19 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: colorado tanker
According to the captain's own statemeni

he seemed to me to take careful prudent steps to insure the safety of his crew and its passengers that had absolutely nothing to do with the guys ethnic background and everything to do with the guys tempermant.

191 posted on 01/10/2002 4:42:38 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

Right.

His 'arrogance', that he be 'allowed' to carry his gun.

Free Republic, Defenders of the Second Amendment.

Lets examine this. The second amendment works only because all us common folk can have weapons to protect ourselves. In the airplane the environment is changed, only those who are LEO's can have weapons. Therefore, in the spirit of the second amendment, which is designed to protect us from the excesses of out-of-control goverment agents, banning this man is in perfect harmony with the second amendment.

The only better solution is to let all the other passengers carry on their weapons.

192 posted on 01/10/2002 4:48:28 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: colorado tanker
You just made the argument for the pilot erring on the side of caution

If American Airlines is as incomptent as you say they are then doesn't that support the pilots descision not to trust anyone's work before him ? Based on your feelings about their competence, would you stake your life solely on the descision of their customer service department ?

193 posted on 01/10/2002 4:53:30 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: duckln
They're working on that.
194 posted on 01/10/2002 4:57:45 AM PST by sandlady
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Secret Service agent, on the Presidential detail, personally vouched for by Mr Bush.

Didn't know that the President was at BWI that day.

195 posted on 01/10/2002 5:00:36 AM PST by steve-b
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To: colorado tanker
The "odd behavior" of the Secret Service agent initially was reading a book about the Middle East with an "Arabic" typeface

No, the initial odd behavior is leaving the plane without his luggage. That is a security breach right there. Only an idiot would leave their luggage unattended especially after listening to the ticket agent warning you not to leave your luggage and that constant airport recording played every few minutes. Everyone is so touchy right now, I cannot imagine boarding and then leaving my luggage on the plane. Heck, a guy goes backwards on an escolator and closes the airport, another guy tries to go to the bathroom before landing and gets tackled. This SS agent and the other passengers were lucky the pilot didn't just call the incident in and see to it the airport was closed.

The book merely upped the ante. Leaving the luggage was another example that the agent was arrogant about the security.

196 posted on 01/10/2002 5:02:24 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: colorado tanker
I'm with the pilot.
198 posted on 01/10/2002 5:05:42 AM PST by Unicorn
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To: colorado tanker
The paperwork screw-up was 100% American's.

You realize you are making the pilots point to not trust the paperwork aren't you ?

199 posted on 01/10/2002 5:06:10 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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