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Quadrant magazine, letter to the editor | December 2001 | Greg Deane

Posted on 01/11/2002 12:38:48 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie

Scimitar Society

(reader's letter to the Australian conservative magazine Quadrant, December 2001)

Sir: I am writing to add my voice to yours in respect of the editorial "Compassion, Illegal immigration and Hypocrisy" (October 2001). But I would also like to say that I take umbrage with the terms elite and intellectual that recur so frequently throughout the editorial.

Journalists and schoolteachers, together with a few academics in disciplines like sociology, education, anthropology and political science, do not constitute an intellectual elite, so much as a coterie of reciprocating collaborators of narrow dogma, used to repress the thoughts of those who have a deeper and longer view. Such persons who have managed to corner the market on presentable opinion include Mike Carlton, Michelle Grattan, Jennifer Hewitt, Mark Riley and even, disappointingly, Tony Jones and Maxine McKew,(these are all Australian media leftists and liberals ) who have half-baked views on historiography and contextualisation. At the same time, those who do present a longer view, like Geoffrey Blainey or Roger Sandall (Australian conservative historians) , are predictably dismissed as narrow or bigoted or constructivist, given to an abuse of discourse.

These so-called intellectual elites are particularly selective themselves in denouncing categorically a word like crusade, while demanding a sensitive interpretation of jihad. It is apparently forgotten that the crusades of the eleventh, twelfth and thirteenth centuries were attempts to regain holy places taken by marauding Saracens under the banners of their early jihads. It is rarely remembered that the supposedly gracious and gentle Saladin had 330 knights slaughtered after the Battle of Hattin in 1187 because they would not submit to the faith of Allah.

It was because of pirating Muslims that southern Europe was trapped in the dark ages, and that Spain was overrun and the Spanish Catholics oppressed until the Reconquista gradually drove out the intruders. This campaign was not complete until the year Columbus embarked on his voyage to open up the New World to the advances and benign influences of the West. It is unlikely you would find many native Americans who would appreciate the loss of the extra twenty or thirty years of life that westernisation brought them, or the loss of the televisions or beer or tenpin bowling so they could return to the tepee and the buffalo hunt.

The intellectual elite dogmatists may forget the Muslim depredations that have continued through from the time of the hegira, while calling on their publics to acknowledge the wonderful work of Averroes or Avicenna, yet again forgetting that most of what they published stemmed from the minds of Western thinkers like Aristotle, Archimedes and Hypatia.

I also feel it is important to support the stance taken by (Australian minister for immigration) Mr Ruddock and the Liberal-National (current, conservative )government on illegal immigrants and refugees. It is unreasonable that those who recognise the imposition of such groups and seek to resist it suffer the criticism that dogs them, either because of biased politicking, or uncritical concern for human rights issues. Terms like racist, parochial, redneck, simplistic, xenophobic and Hansonite have recently come to dominate the press electronically and in print. All such terms seem to be code for saying it is wrong to disagree with the self-appointed politically correct.

The disregard shown by boat people from the Middle East for Australian laws and protocols does not seem to be an aberration, buy typical of 1400 years of interaction between these people who have raped and pillaged and taxed and even stolen Christian youth to form the nucleus of their armies as janissaries.

I have had dealings with many Middle Eastern people in the school system, I have noted their behaviour in public places, and read reports and statistics that substantiate views concerning an endemic lack of respect for the Australian community. At the same time, the high levels of intolerance apparent in Middle Eastern countries for Kurds, Buddhists and Christian evangelists, the willingness to submit to autocratic patriarchy, and their age-old conflicts between Shiites and Sunnis, among other entrenched societal intolerance, justifies an open culture like Australia being reluctant to accept immigrants from these cultures. It seems only reasonable to me that a community should be entitled to retain its integrity and its traditions, and so safeguard the well-being of its citizens, from invaders who do not respect its borders.

It is unfortunate that the United Nations has become a tribunal for channeling charges against the OCED, and for ignoring the atrocities, corruption, racism, bigotry and obstructive inequities in the majority of developing countries, except to lay responsibility for them at the door of "neo-colonialism".

In view of the many instances throughout history of the propensity of different groups to behave aggressively towards others, or in ways that are unacceptable to others, I am stunned at the presumption and temerity whereby writers like (notorious Aussie liberal) Mike Carlton feel they can so easily lump any people who are opposed to the invasion of Australia and other civilised countries by boat people. By "civilised" I mean those nations where rule of law prevails in a spirit of tolerance for difference. But this same characteristic does not necessitate self-destruction through permitting socially incompatible groups into a community.

To be aware of the ramifications of a lax policy towards these sea nomads is not to link oneself with (conservative Buchanan-style Aussie politician) Pauline Hanson, but to be aware of what has happened and what conditions will be exacerbated if the insipid views of Carltonites prevail. Further, to use a term like Hansonite as pejorative is to sweep away the thought-out views of a large segment of the population. That no other spokesperson than the semi-literate Hanson has stepped forth is a reflection on the censorship and social strictures imposed on free thought and expression by the Carltonites who are presently in power.

Despite claims to the contrary which have appeared in the press, there is nothing farcical about denying entry to members of a lunatic culture that originated in a holy war. From the time of Mohammed’s pilgrimage, Muslims have been dominating Middle Eastern and Central Asian regions with the scimitar, imposing a closed society, and an oppression of different viewpoints to rival only newspapers like the Australian. The closed Islamic society was born in jihad; the Christian, Western societies were born in a spirit of charity. It is suicidal to allow entry of members of an intolerant culture that will threaten us when they are able and oppress us as they are used to being oppressed.

Take note: nearly every Islamic culture is impoverished. Even Turkey at the height of its power only accrued wealth through invasion and levying of high taxes on its subject peoples. Their closed societies and closed minds prevent invention and reflection. The Afghani boat people are a small part of the problem that is already evident in the anti-social activities of other Islamic groups in Australia. Their children of Islamic families do not apply themselves, whether because of culture or some inherent malfunction. Any survey honestly conducted would reflect a lack of success among Muslims academically and in other areas of human endeavour, except terrorism.

So let them sail back to their deserts and their mosques and their camels and their tents-and terrify each other. And let the intellectual elite in the media and the education and sociology faculties form communities of tolerance and openness in accordance with their values; perhaps they may still be in existence as such in six or seven months.

Greg Deane
Ryde, New South Wales
Australia


TOPICS: Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizatio; islamicviolence
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; *Clash of Civilizatio
Boy's asking to be sent to a re-education camp bump.
61 posted on 01/11/2002 1:14:45 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: Scally Wag
...I will concur that a Commonwealth Forum would indeed be an excellant idea. It might go some way to stop us being flamed, everytime we express an opinion....

JJ's already posted on another thread that he personally administers FIVE Yahoo sites.

If things are so cruel for you guys here on FR, why don't you stay on Yahoo?

62 posted on 01/11/2002 1:16:30 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: FreedomPoster
..there is no reason to throw away what Western Man has built over 2-1/2 millenia because fuzzy-thinking academics and leftists think we should....


63 posted on 01/11/2002 1:28:39 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: shaggy eel
[Re Gaza trip]

Easy, shaggs.

And please be careful about whom you associate me with?

My Mum [About the time she snatched my candy at the airport -- you will recall?] warned me about watching the company I keep.

And I have, my Good FRiend, since put together a lifetime's experience of being extremely careful about that!

64 posted on 01/11/2002 1:38:29 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: MarMema
..bravo. Am printing it out for my Aussie coworker...

You're welcome! That coworker of yours would be well aware that we've only just fought an election here; a key point of which was whether Australia has the right decide who comes to this country. The liberals, Greens, and socialist left of course demanded that Australia, with its 'racist' history of 'genocide', had no right to determine its own immigration policy; that should be left to (their friends on) UN committees. The Australian people gave them a resounding one-finger salute; but you know the Left. They'll be back.

Here's the quintessential PC leftist lesbian bitching in the Sydney Morning Herald about how horrible it all is.

Multiculturalism is eschewed in name and in images. Reconciliation, the republic, a place in Asia, a clever country, a creative country - all gone missing. Yesterday's issues. As Paul Kelly wrote in the Australian yesterday, a win for Howard is victory in the culture war, that grinding battle over who we are and what we want to become that was joined on Howard's election and continues to this day. Howard looked the winner yesterday.

65 posted on 01/11/2002 1:48:08 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: jjbrouwer
...we would still be free to post our thoughts here on US talk shows, hamburgers, US literacy, American political correctness, Frat Boys and the Miss World contest....

Save it for the Yahoo sites, JJ. Your spiritual home.

The thought of you hosting a 'Commonwealth Forum' on FR's server is too grotesque for words. Besides, the well-respected Freeper MadIvan already hosts a Commonwealth forum.

66 posted on 01/11/2002 1:55:36 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: American in Israel
"The only common denominator is Judeao/Christian...God and Satan(SHIETUN)
Only in a spiritual perspective..do the sides so neatly line up"

Discernment serves you well..hope others notice this most critical of realities.
This war on terrorism...is to the death.
The Prince of Persia now strides forward...speaks voluminous words of threat..and manuevers nations for the battle.
Iran is not the Prince of Persia..but a tool of use...Iran is however..the voice of Islam..we see the dynamic in the words of challenge from Tehran and Qom.
It's a no brainer to see the connection with Hizbullah in Lebanon..to see the spirit of Baal at work.
The worship of BAAL required human sacrifice...we see the pattern continue...in Suicide martry complex, resident in Hizbullah,Hamas,Islamic Jihad..etc
Brought to Israel by Arafat..and to America by Osamma Bin Laden.
The words issueing from Iran..Lebanon..Syria and other lands under demonic control are very real...they mean to do..everything they say!
67 posted on 01/11/2002 2:31:54 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Byron, thanks for the ping. Very interesting discussion. One of the writer's points (entrenched societal intolerance) reminds me of my last trip to NYC and Ellis Island. I was there on my own, but a group came thru led by a tweedy type who kept lecturing everyone about how hostile the new country was to women and how it must have been so hard to come here and find there were prejudices in place that "Kept women in their place." My spouse restrained me, but I really wanted to shout "good lord man, what kind of culture do you think these folks came from?" He was referring to the Eastern European, Balkan wave of immigration. I was going to offer, that while the husbands would probably still kill their wives and children over violations of family honor, they were at least in a country that would find that to be illegal. I thought that an improvement. No doubt cultural relativists find everything to be devoid of value judgement until of course the scimitar is poised at their necks. Sometimes it is difficult to understand that while you may tolerate others, they do not tolerate you.

regards

68 posted on 01/11/2002 4:22:04 PM PST by okiedust
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To: Byron_the_Aussie, Brian Allen
I have seven chat rooms, thanks, Byron. Our Commonwealth forum would be moderated by Commonwealthers, not Americans, if it went ahead.
69 posted on 01/11/2002 5:02:25 PM PST by jjbrouwer
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To: jjbrouwer
We would still be free to post our thoughts here on US talk shows, hamburgers, US literacy, American political correctness, Frat Boys and the Miss World contest.

Or that other American creation known as Free Republic. Which you obviously intend to model your forum after.

70 posted on 01/11/2002 7:16:46 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
is the message that the host culture is of lesser value than the introduced one.

Precisely.

Just dilute, dilute, dilute until the logical conclusion.

Then, when all we have is this colorless silly putty - oh, the possibilities!

71 posted on 01/11/2002 8:04:32 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Save it for the Yahoo sites, jj. Your [IQ] home.

The thought of you hosting a 'commonwealth forum' on FR's server is too grotesque for words. Besides ..... "MadIvan" already hosts a Commonwealth forum.

But that's in once great Britain -- and this typically dead and decadent eurotrash push wants, like the other 300 million of them, to FReeload on America's back!

72 posted on 01/11/2002 9:15:53 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: shaggy eel; Brian Allen; jjbrouwer
You lucky contestants have just won an all expenses paid seven day vacation in the Gaza Strip. Forget Vegas! You've made it! You lucky devils. Yes, start packing now. There's never been a better time to kick back and take it easy....

Really, you spoil me!! Im overcome with emotion....

73 posted on 01/11/2002 9:29:15 PM PST by klee
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To: Brian Allen
Brain: since you mention IQ...

My IQ/ your IQ
74 posted on 01/12/2002 12:27:50 AM PST by jjbrouwer
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To: jjbrouwer
Re: The IQ thingy. I don't suppose that rise can attributed to the fact that the Empire came home at last (with its Patels and Singhs also). Butter being spread too thin and all that. Would account somewhat for the worldwide depression of IQ while Britain experienced a rise I could suppose. LOL.

regards

75 posted on 01/12/2002 3:08:08 AM PST by okiedust
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To: Brian Allen
For a British or Commonwealth Forum there are too many Stars & Stripes
76 posted on 01/12/2002 3:18:40 AM PST by Scally Wag
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; shaggy eel
Save it for the Yahoo sites, jj. Your [IQ] home.

The thought of you hosting a 'commonwealth forum' on FR's server is too grotesque for words. Besides ..... "MadIvan" already hosts a Commonwealth forum.

But that's in once great Britain -- and this typically dead and decadent eurotrash push wants, like the other 300 million of them, to FReeload on America's back!

Not that any of the endemically-alcoholic, low-browed, no-neck, unbathed, soccer-hooligan-gang mentality swill that, like so many snot-drooling hyenas and other masters of the personal attack, hunts here, would ever acknowledge the fact of their squalid little misty-islands' utter dependence upon Our Beloved FRaternal Republic for its very existence [And that every time an aeroplane lands in once great Britain from either New Zealand or Australia -- or from almost any other of its former colonies -- the average IQ of once great Britain and of the fortunate country of departure doubles!] -- -- or any other fact -- nor address one of them.

Way too much fun to be had cackling maniacly among themselves in the thrall of the dutch courage apparently acquired from the combined effect of swilling returned-to-the-keg-and-watered "beer" and collectively scavenging in the company of such other masses of brainless loosely connected protein as comprise your typical "visiting" soccer hooligan pack!

<];^)~<

77 posted on 01/12/2002 6:56:01 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; MarMema; shaggy eel
..bravo. Am printing it out for my Aussie coworker...

You're welcome! That coworker of yours would be well aware that we've only just fought an election here; a key point of which was whether Australia has the right decide who comes to this country. The liberals, Greens, and socialist left of course demanded that Australia, with its 'racist' history of 'genocide', had no right to determine its own immigration policy; that should be left to (their friends on) UN committees. The Australian people gave them a resounding one-finger salute; but you know the Left. They'll be back.

Here's the quintessential PC leftist lesbian bitching in the Sydney Morning Herald about how horrible it all is.

Multiculturalism is eschewed in name and in images. Reconciliation, the republic, a place in Asia, a clever country, a creative country - all gone missing. Yesterday's issues. As Paul Kelly wrote in the Australian yesterday, a win for Howard is victory in the culture war, that grinding battle over who we are and what we want to become that was joined on Howard's election and continues to this day. Howard looked the winner yesterday.

Congratulations, Byron -- and thank you -- for posting this important link. I missed it the first time around.

May you and others like you keep Australia's somewhat belatedly raised guard -- especially that against the Eurotrash-like self-loathing leftist enemy within -- high! And, in New Zealand, you too, shaggs!

Maybe one day there will be a new ANSUS Empire, this one founded in the Principle upon which My Beloved America is Founded and forever Stands: the Principle of the God-Given and therefore Inalienable Individual Liberty made sacrasanct in Our Beloved FRaternal Republic's Founding Law!

May Almighty God continue to bless My America -- and the ANSUS Alliance that has served our nations so well -- and serves it still!

78 posted on 01/12/2002 7:16:00 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: jjbrouwer; Byron_the_Aussie; shaggy eel
Brian Allen

As promised...

Poor Dear "jj"

How entirely fitting that one of your ilk would attempt to effect a personal attack upon an American Patriot [Although never, of course, upon his argument nor upon the content of either his mind or of his character!] by presenting him with a stolen American Image.

You epitomise that which you champion.

79 posted on 01/12/2002 7:29:45 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
My dear chap, you once told me that you aspired to receiving my Five Bum Salute. However, when you get it, you complain. Some people are never happy!

The image is not stolen, BTW. It is a piece of clip-art which I have permission to use.

Please, be careful in future when you make accusations of this nature.

Unlike the majority, neither of us uses a monicker; we both use our real names.

On another note, the website you list on your profile is not accessible to most, so why list it?
80 posted on 01/12/2002 7:36:08 AM PST by jjbrouwer
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