Posted on 01/11/2002 12:38:48 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
You're the black fly in FR's chardonnay, JJ.
It'll be a sad day if JR gives you that Commonwealth Forum you're pushing for.
Then why just do a drive-by on it, bud?
I've got my own reservations about some aspects of it; in particular, the author's overlooking of the possibility that these newcomers have the option to adopt the key tenets of our culture, while retaining the non-conflicting aspects of their own. I served on a jury where the defendant's barrister argued that his client's crime of assaulting his wife (for alleged, [doubtful] adultery) was perfectly acceptable behaviour in the country of his birth (Turkey.) The Court didn't buy that, but this sort of argument is creeping into current affairs here often now; and becoming accepted, through repetition.
Your first compliment of the day JJ.
It's so pitifully obvious why champions of "diversity" are seduced by Muslim culture, with its tradition of blind submission to authority (theirs) and obliteration of the individual.
Why, only a few more generations of victims of "diversity" training, and we'll all be exactly alike. So much easier to control, don't ya know.
This is an American Forum for American people.
One constructive criticism though based upon a conflict between individual judgment vs group judgment.
There is something to be said for laws regarding very large groups of people, i.e. nations, ergo national laws. There obviously is a need to respect individual rights or limits on man made laws regarding personal will and actions.
There may exist individuals within a group who wish to change groups because they fundamentally disagree with that group. That class of person will obviously be identified as an immigrant.
So national laws prohibiting immigration, by their nature will cause harm to the very persons whose wills may comply with the intented will of the host nation. So they would be self-contradictory.
Numerically, though, if a foreign nation is dedicated to killing the host nation's populous by false immigration, i.e. a stealthy assault, then the obvious hasty elimination of immigration would defend the host nation better than preserving the limited number of legitimate immigants.
The US has been an interesting test of these groupings and priority of rights, between the group and he individual. For the last 40 years we have favored the individual in that baby boomer generation. Yet, obviously that test is a dismal failure because today we condone and tolerate many more hateful sins in rebellion to God. We condone abortion(murder of children in the womb), homosexuality, divorce, adultery, intoxication, idoltry, all forms of fleshy and worldly sin, and now debate the allowance of worship of all things antichristian merely so as not to offend the personal selfish wills of our citizenry.
Until nations begin and continue to place God's will prior to the self will, national law will fail.
Unfortunatly it has become obvious that some FReepers are just out to discredit anything and everything regarding the UK, no matter what the subject, these people I wouldn't miss.
Of course, I knew there was something else I would miss the indepth intellectual postings about.
You make me laugh.
Well put! When I see people cry "racism" when nothing of the kind has been put forth, I am immediately on my guard. Perhaps bluester could define what was said in this piece that was racist? Then again, likely not.
I am not racist - but I am certainly culturalist. There is no reason to throw away what Western Man has built over 2-1/2 millenia because fuzzy-thinking academics and leftists think we should.
Despite claims to the contrary which have appeared in the press, there is nothing farcical about denying entry to members of a lunatic culture that originated in a holy war. From the time of Mohammed’s pilgrimage, Muslims have been dominating Middle Eastern and Central Asian regions with the scimitar, imposing a closed society, and an oppression of different viewpoints to rival only newspapers like the Australian. The closed Islamic society was born in jihad; the Christian, Western societies were born in a spirit of charity. It is suicidal to allow entry of members of an intolerant culture that will threaten us when they are able and oppress us as they are used to being oppressed.
It may be suicidal, but it is what the world demands Israel do. Now that Jihad is spreading world wide, the idea of Oslo is leaving a bad taste on those who shoved it down Israels throat. Giving bullies your lunch money never stopped violence in the schoolyard, why do the Leftists expect it work with Jihadists? Answer, they don't. They desire the destruction of all conservative freedom, no matter who is the destructor. Leftist is a religion, just as demanding and destructive as Islam. Lies just the same too. Now from a spiritual perspective there is very little difference between Leftists and Islamics. Both come from the same source and follow the same patterns and both have the same ends. When Leftists and Humanists are all for the downtrodden masses, unless of course the downtrodden are Jews or Christians or free Christian nations, what is the common denominator. It is not the masses, the geographic location, the philosophy of the Islamics vs Western thought it is God vs Evil. The only common denominator is Judeao/Christian God and satan. Only in a spiritual perspective do the sides so neatly line up.
For one more example, where are the Libbys howling about the over two million Christian men slaughtered in Sudan so that their wives and children could be made slaves? I thought Liberals hated Slavery. I guess Slavery is ok if it is Christians being made slaves. They howl all the time about the 500,000 Palestinian's "right of return" but you never hear about the millions of Christians and Jews slaughtered and forced out of Arabia. How about their right of return? Do the lefties scream about Non Christian Western nations? No, but if you have a Judeao/Christian based government, watch out... Global warming, Aparthied, racial quotas etc. But when South Africa was destroyed in the name of "Aparthied" the racial opression is far worse now and all starve. How about zimbabwe? What do the White Africaners have in common with the White South Africaners? Is it their skin color or their RELIGION. You guessed it, they are Christians. And the Black Zimbabwe farmers are loosing their land too. For every White Farmer there is 10 black farmers working the same land. The one thing they have in common is... Christianity.
We are watching World Wide Christian and Jewish Persicution raise it's ugly head. Leftists, Marxists, Islamics, Communists and Humanists and Evolutionists all hate Christians and Jews. But Christians and Jews don't hate anyone. Strange pattern. I am sure in the near future Christians and Jews will all be branded as Haters, by the Haters. Then killed for being a hater, by the haters. I feel like a stranger in a strange planet. Can you grok it?
That's a pretty daring statement to make. One could seriously doubt about both statements. I would have to partially fit in one of the above categories, yet I don't hate anyone. Nor Christians, Jews or Muslims.
And I have come upon people claiming to be Christians that did hate others, just for their religion. Not many, but nonetheless. So....
Say nothing else unless you wish to be thought a bigger fool than you already indicated.
"Ehm Byron, I do have a problem with the whole article."
There you go. Exposing yourself again. Yes, bluester we do hate. We hate those that try to destroy us. It actually is a very healthy attitude to have. Perhaps you shouldn't spend so much time watching Barney the purple dinosaur and the Teletubbies and get out in the real world for a change.
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