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1 posted on 01/11/2002 12:38:48 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (byron_the_aussie@yahoo.com)
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FYI.

Prompted to post this article after reading 'Islam studies required in California district.'

2 posted on 01/11/2002 12:40:39 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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Bump.

In the interests of balance.

3 posted on 01/11/2002 12:44:16 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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A little history lesson to go with the schoolkids' 'Islamic Studies.'
4 posted on 01/11/2002 12:47:50 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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Wonderful. Thank you, Byron, for posting this. What the writer understands, and expresses very well, is the belief that some cultures have values that are incompatible with Western democracy, and that an onslaught of immigration from these countries is undesirable. I don't see why champions of 'diversity' have such a difficult time understanding this; they have an unflappable faith in the goodness or perfectability of mankind. But, as any rationalist will tell you, it just ain't so. Or, as Hemingway said so wearily and exasperatedly, "Wouldn't it be lovely to THINK so?"
5 posted on 01/11/2002 12:50:42 AM PST by Calico Cat
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Heads up, for some thought-provoking reading.
6 posted on 01/11/2002 12:52:08 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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"So let them sail back to their deserts and their mosques and their camels and their tents-and terrify each other. "

Intolerance, racism, ignorance and prejudice at it's finest. What else can I say.

7 posted on 01/11/2002 12:52:25 AM PST by bluester
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...by "civilised" I mean those nations where rule of law prevails in a spirit of tolerance for difference....
8 posted on 01/11/2002 12:56:59 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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Bump.

With a belated 'thank you' to Mrs Byron, for retyping this from the magazine, for posting.

9 posted on 01/11/2002 1:00:19 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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He left out the invasion of the Iberian peninsula in the 8th century, which was only turned back by Charles (The Hammer) Martell at Tours in France, preventing the conquest of all of Christian Europe. Also missing is the fact that the Ottomans threatened Europe right up to the 17th century, only being finally defeated before Vienna by Jan Sobieski on September 12 1683.
10 posted on 01/11/2002 1:04:20 AM PST by Kozak
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FYI.
13 posted on 01/11/2002 1:20:25 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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Bump.

Yes there are things from other cultures I admire, and would even like to adopt into our own. The Japanese respect for their elders, for instance.

And then there are other cultures where I find little to admire.

16 posted on 01/11/2002 1:29:40 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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Bump...... for great justice of course!
17 posted on 01/11/2002 1:30:03 AM PST by dennisw
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Greg Deane has it right. I hope his letter was read throughout Australia, and thanks for posting it here!
19 posted on 01/11/2002 1:37:59 AM PST by onyx
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Thanks for the ping, Byron. What an articulate writer.

It's so pitifully obvious why champions of "diversity" are seduced by Muslim culture, with its tradition of blind submission to authority (theirs) and obliteration of the individual.

Why, only a few more generations of victims of "diversity" training, and we'll all be exactly alike. So much easier to control, don't ya know.

26 posted on 01/11/2002 2:03:01 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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I enjoyed the article. Well expressed.

One constructive criticism though based upon a conflict between individual judgment vs group judgment.

There is something to be said for laws regarding very large groups of people, i.e. nations, ergo national laws. There obviously is a need to respect individual rights or limits on man made laws regarding personal will and actions.

There may exist individuals within a group who wish to change groups because they fundamentally disagree with that group. That class of person will obviously be identified as an immigrant.

So national laws prohibiting immigration, by their nature will cause harm to the very persons whose wills may comply with the intented will of the host nation. So they would be self-contradictory.

Numerically, though, if a foreign nation is dedicated to killing the host nation's populous by false immigration, i.e. a stealthy assault, then the obvious hasty elimination of immigration would defend the host nation better than preserving the limited number of legitimate immigants.

The US has been an interesting test of these groupings and priority of rights, between the group and he individual. For the last 40 years we have favored the individual in that baby boomer generation. Yet, obviously that test is a dismal failure because today we condone and tolerate many more hateful sins in rebellion to God. We condone abortion(murder of children in the womb), homosexuality, divorce, adultery, intoxication, idoltry, all forms of fleshy and worldly sin, and now debate the allowance of worship of all things antichristian merely so as not to offend the personal selfish wills of our citizenry.

Until nations begin and continue to place God's will prior to the self will, national law will fail.

29 posted on 01/11/2002 2:17:19 AM PST by Cvengr
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Bravo. Am printing it out for my Aussie coworker. The one who amazed me so much by talking about the boat people well before 9-11 and saying "they could be terrorists or something".
Thanks for the ping.
30 posted on 01/11/2002 2:22:20 AM PST by MarMema
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It seems only reasonable to me that a community should be entitled to retain its integrity and its traditions, and so safeguard the well-being of its citizens, from invaders who do not respect its borders.

Despite claims to the contrary which have appeared in the press, there is nothing farcical about denying entry to members of a lunatic culture that originated in a holy war. From the time of Mohammed’s pilgrimage, Muslims have been dominating Middle Eastern and Central Asian regions with the scimitar, imposing a closed society, and an oppression of different viewpoints to rival only newspapers like the Australian. The closed Islamic society was born in jihad; the Christian, Western societies were born in a spirit of charity. It is suicidal to allow entry of members of an intolerant culture that will threaten us when they are able and oppress us as they are used to being oppressed.

It may be suicidal, but it is what the world demands Israel do. Now that Jihad is spreading world wide, the idea of Oslo is leaving a bad taste on those who shoved it down Israels throat. Giving bullies your lunch money never stopped violence in the schoolyard, why do the Leftists expect it work with Jihadists? Answer, they don't. They desire the destruction of all conservative freedom, no matter who is the destructor. Leftist is a religion, just as demanding and destructive as Islam. Lies just the same too. Now from a spiritual perspective there is very little difference between Leftists and Islamics. Both come from the same source and follow the same patterns and both have the same ends. When Leftists and Humanists are all for the downtrodden masses, unless of course the downtrodden are Jews or Christians or free Christian nations, what is the common denominator. It is not the masses, the geographic location, the philosophy of the Islamics vs Western thought it is God vs Evil. The only common denominator is Judeao/Christian God and satan. Only in a spiritual perspective do the sides so neatly line up.

For one more example, where are the Libbys howling about the over two million Christian men slaughtered in Sudan so that their wives and children could be made slaves? I thought Liberals hated Slavery. I guess Slavery is ok if it is Christians being made slaves. They howl all the time about the 500,000 Palestinian's "right of return" but you never hear about the millions of Christians and Jews slaughtered and forced out of Arabia. How about their right of return? Do the lefties scream about Non Christian Western nations? No, but if you have a Judeao/Christian based government, watch out... Global warming, Aparthied, racial quotas etc. But when South Africa was destroyed in the name of "Aparthied" the racial opression is far worse now and all starve. How about zimbabwe? What do the White Africaners have in common with the White South Africaners? Is it their skin color or their RELIGION. You guessed it, they are Christians. And the Black Zimbabwe farmers are loosing their land too. For every White Farmer there is 10 black farmers working the same land. The one thing they have in common is... Christianity.

We are watching World Wide Christian and Jewish Persicution raise it's ugly head. Leftists, Marxists, Islamics, Communists and Humanists and Evolutionists all hate Christians and Jews. But Christians and Jews don't hate anyone. Strange pattern. I am sure in the near future Christians and Jews will all be branded as Haters, by the Haters. Then killed for being a hater, by the haters. I feel like a stranger in a strange planet. Can you grok it?

37 posted on 01/11/2002 3:22:31 AM PST by American in Israel
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bump
40 posted on 01/11/2002 5:18:42 AM PST by Valin
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FYI.
60 posted on 01/11/2002 1:08:59 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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Boy's asking to be sent to a re-education camp bump.
61 posted on 01/11/2002 1:14:45 PM PST by denydenydeny
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