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Second Video of Flight 587 Casts Doubt on Crash Probe
NewsMax.com ^ | Jan. 27, 2002 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 01/27/2002 11:38:36 AM PST by Carl/NewsMax

News that a second toll booth video camera captured doomed American Airlines Flight 587's breakup moments after its Nov. 12 takeoff from New York's JFK airport raises new questions about the candor and thoroughness of investigators conducting the probe into the disaster.

Time.com reported Sunday that National Transportation Safety Board investigators "last week got their first look at a remarkable videotape of the deadly accident."

Time adds: "This is the second video record the board has obtained of the crash, but the first one was virtually useless because the plane could be seen only as a tiny speck."

In reality, both traffic surveillance videotapes - shot from a toll booths on causeways that cross New York's Jamaica Bay (adjacent to JFK) - were reportedly turned over to crash probers within four days of the disaster.

On Nov. 16 the New York Daily News reported:

"Metropolitan Transportation Authority spokesman Tom Kelly confirmed that the agency has given surveillance videotapes from the Cross Bay Blvd. and Marine Parkway bridges to the FBI."

At approximately 3 miles distance from JFK, a camera mounted on Cross Bay Blvd's Veterans Memorial Bridge toll booth would have had a much better view of Flight 587's takeoff than one on Marine Parkway - approximately 7 miles away.

But on Nov. 16 the News quoted MTA spokesman Kelly as saying that only one tape captured the plane's breakup - which turned out to be from the more distant Marine Parkway vantage point.

That could have been an oversight on his part. Kelly told NewsMax.com later that day that he had not personally reviewed either videotape but relied instead on the accounts of others.

Kelly also told NewsMax.com, "We turned (the Marine Parkway tape) over to the FBI and they have now turned it over to the NTSB."

Did the FBI withhold from the NTSB the much closer Cross Bay Blvd. videotape?

Otherwise, why is an NTSB source now telling Time.com that the agency got its first look at that better video last week, more than two months after the FBI reportedly took possession of both tapes?

More troubling still, however, is Time.com's claim that the more distant Marine Parkway Bridge tape was "virtually useless."

That's not what a reporter who actually examined the footage said on Nov. 17:

"The tape, viewed by the Daily News, shows a white outline of the jetliner against a clear sky in fairly steep decline. Seconds later, the outline disappears and the video shows a blurry, white undefined patch as the plane apparently breaks apart."

The toll booth obscures the moment of impact but, said the News:

"At the end of the bridge videotape sequence, which has been turned over to the FBI, there appears to be a puff of white smoke in the sky."

Nov. 12, the day of the crash, was a cloudless day in New York, a fact that makes that "puff of white smoke" particularly problematic for investigators who have bent over backwards to ignore the accounts of dozens of eyewitnesses who say they saw a midair explosion and fire before the plane broke apart.

Does the closer Cross Bay Blvd. videotape undermine the NTSB's repeated attempts to blame the crash on mechanical failure? Time.com's source will only say the new evidence shows Flight 587 "flying along normally and intact, and suddenly things start to go very wrong."

Stay tuned.


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1 posted on 01/27/2002 11:38:37 AM PST by Carl/NewsMax (limbacher@newsmax.com)
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Damn, it's starting to look like maybe the "tin foil hat" crowd might not be too far off the mark on this one. Interesting.
3 posted on 01/27/2002 11:45:51 AM PST by oldvike
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To: Carl/NewsMax
LINK

Carl:

Can you get Bob Grant or Frank from Queens to interview the police Lt and the NYC fireman mentioned in this article?

4 posted on 01/27/2002 11:52:35 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Have no doubt of this: Had there been only one plane involved on 9/11, the federal government would have concocted an elaborate account of the pilot's deep depression. Desperate to prevent panic and to protect us from our unenlightened selves, Washington will cover up anything it cannot possibly explain away. I'll settle for the truth, thank you very much...
5 posted on 01/27/2002 11:55:49 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: oldvike
Damn, it's starting to look like maybe the "tin foil hat" crowd might not be too far off the mark on this one. Interesting.

The only possible way they could be right is if the tape showed an explosion. That seems doubtful: Nov. 12, the day of the crash, was a cloudless day in New York, a fact that makes that "puff of white smoke" particularly problematic for investigators who have bent over backwards to ignore the accounts of dozens of eyewitnesses who say they saw a midair explosion and fire before the plane broke apart.

There's a pretty vast difference between a "puff of white smoke", and "midair explosion and fire," Mr. Lamebacker's efforts notwithstanding.

So if this is all NewsMax -- itself a tinfoil-leaning group -- can say, then the tinfoilers are as wrong as they usually are. Note that none of the details add up to anything that a loss of the vertical stabilizer cannot explain.

6 posted on 01/27/2002 11:57:51 AM PST by r9etb
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Still think this might have been a shoe bomber. That was my first thought after that Reid guy tried it. It surely couldn't be the first attempt to do something like that.
7 posted on 01/27/2002 12:02:27 PM PST by MsLady
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To: Carl/NewsMax
The NTSB is nothing but a worthless cover-up agency. I would never work for them.

In the hours and days after the crash of flight 587, the NTSB was floating every crackpot theory it could in an effort to disprove theories of terrorism. Their efforts had quite the opposite effect. It tends to kill an organization's credibility when they scream, "It wasn't terrorism, it wasn't terrorism...!" while the crash site is still burning and no data collection has even been done yet, then float every crackpot theory under the sun to "prove" it. What ever happened to the days of the NTSB not commenting on an on-going investigation? I find their actions highly questionable.

8 posted on 01/27/2002 12:06:08 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: r9etb
Perhaps it didn't need to be a big fireball explosion to bring it down. It could have been a shoe bomb that exploded cracking the hull of the plane. I would think that would be enough to bring it down.
9 posted on 01/27/2002 12:06:50 PM PST by MsLady
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To: r9etb
Perhaps it didn't need to be a big fireball explosion to bring it down. It could have been a shoe bomb that exploded cracking the hull of the plane. I would think that would be enough to bring it down.
10 posted on 01/27/2002 12:07:16 PM PST by MsLady
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I hate when that happens!!!
11 posted on 01/27/2002 12:08:39 PM PST by MsLady
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But if it was a "bomber" (shoe or otherwise) wouldn't someone (or some group) have taken credit for it ??
I know that bin Laden rarely took credit for "operations" that he was a part of, but after 9-11 that seemed to change.
I would think there would be some sort of bragging or claim of success ??
12 posted on 01/27/2002 12:08:46 PM PST by twyn1
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To: MsLady
That's what I heard on the radio ...that they thought it was a shoe bomber.
13 posted on 01/27/2002 12:13:18 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: twyn1
Who says that some group didn't claim responsibility, and it was hushed up? john
14 posted on 01/27/2002 12:16:28 PM PST by Freeper john
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To: Freeper john
Who says that some group didn't claim responsibility, and it was hushed up?

Maybe you're onto something there. The whole thing just stinks.

15 posted on 01/27/2002 12:23:58 PM PST by katnip
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To: Carl/NewsMax
what, you going to believe your own lying eyes (that is, if the film is ever released)?

i won't be convinced until the cia releases their cartoon.

where's the cartoon?

16 posted on 01/27/2002 12:27:21 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: r9etb
"...Mr. Lamebacker's efforts notwithstanding"

I can understand disagreeing with him, but is a personal insult necessary to make a point?

17 posted on 01/27/2002 12:35:09 PM PST by sharktrager
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To: *AA Flight 587
bump
18 posted on 01/27/2002 12:43:03 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: MsLady
Semtex or C-4 would have left chemical traces on the wreckage. It should be an easy matter to rule it out -- or confirm it.
19 posted on 01/27/2002 12:54:31 PM PST by Crowcreek
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Stall spin. PC spinning otherwise.
20 posted on 01/27/2002 1:03:32 PM PST by Waco
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