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Missing [San diego] girl's neighbor went to desert, beach and back
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 9 February 2002 | Kelly Thornton Elizabeth Fitzsimons and Joe Hughes

Posted on 02/09/2002 6:53:27 AM PST by crypt2k

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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
They did.

"His house was one of the first of more than 200 Sabre Springs homes that officers searched with the aid of police dogs. Police later returned with a search warrant."

41 posted on 02/09/2002 8:52:11 AM PST by marajade
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To: crypt2k
If the parents intended to have a swinging party its not logical they wouldn't check on the daughter to see if she was awake.
42 posted on 02/09/2002 8:54:05 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: wasfree
I got an email to run a program that would find porn on my computer. I ran it and there was a ton of it. I got distracted and lost the link (you have to buy the program). I intend to find it and run it again.

I also think the porn came from Gnutella.

43 posted on 02/09/2002 9:00:05 AM PST by diefree
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To: marajade
...officers searched with the aid of police dogs. Police later returned with a search warrant."

What did the police dogs find that caused the police to come back with a warrant?

44 posted on 02/09/2002 9:01:15 AM PST by scholar
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
But Customs has the right to search you without a warrant even in your home if you're within their perimeter. It may be 100 miles, not sure.
45 posted on 02/09/2002 9:05:32 AM PST by diefree
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
>Whoever did this, there is definitely something creepy about these parents.

I thought the same thing.

But I wonder if we are right to judge "normal" people based on how they act on TV. I mean, it's such a freaky thing to have bright lights and cameras pointed at you, that maybe it would be more surprising if a normal person seemed "normal" with that kind of thing going on.

I don't know what to think about these kind of things. We're so used to seeing slick and polished professionals on TV, that when we see someone who looks downright odd, we assume there's something dubious about them. It could just be normal people reflecting the odd situation around them (especially when they're probably mind-numb and heart-broke from dealing with their missing daughter...).

Mark W.

46 posted on 02/09/2002 9:10:12 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: wasfree
But from I just read in this thread I would bet the parents did it.

Then how did the parents dispose of the body? I think the parents MAY HAVE conspired with the neighbor. And I'm not so sure the child is dead. She may even have been passed off to someone else. Of course, all of this is just wild speculation.

47 posted on 02/09/2002 9:15:11 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: crypt2k
On top of dealing with a missing child, the van Dams are the subject of rumors that they are involved in a swinging club, where couples typically engage in sex with other couples.

"This is in no way related to the investigation," Brenda van Dam said. "Nothing would get in between me checking on my children. It's a rumor. I don't know why people would want to be hurtful."

That's not exactly a denial, is it?

48 posted on 02/09/2002 9:16:45 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: diefree
The police went after John Walsh (America's Most Wanted) when his son went missing and let the real killer get away. Possibly Walsh wasn't emotional enough for them.

Actually, Walsh was just the opposite -- he was super-emotional and angry. I saw a biographical special on him a few weeks ago, and he was just filled with rage back then. He even called his book about that time "Days of Rage."

49 posted on 02/09/2002 9:20:03 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: diefree
They don't always do the right thing. Look at the McMartins, Jewell, Kelly Michaels, the Amiraults(sp).

True, there are innocent people in jail and on death row. This is unacceptable. But I think it is proper to acknowledge that the right person is convicted by an overwhelming degree.

50 posted on 02/09/2002 9:20:07 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: MarkWar
that when we see someone who looks downright odd, we assume there's something dubious about them.

I understand what you are saying. In Susan Smith's case and in Diane Down's they had a hard time faking the crying (which women are so apt to do). In both cases, their crying was so fake it looked almost like laughing ... very strange.

51 posted on 02/09/2002 9:23:57 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Moonmad27,rangerairborne
Has anybody mentioned yet that police removed evidence bags full of kiddie porn from Westerfield's house yet? (Why isn't he under arrest for the kiddie porn? Is it "ambiguous" legally stuff?)

Has anybody mentioned yet the strong repeated rumors that the Van Dams' garage is "party central" for the swingers, with locks on the INSIDE of the garage to keep out the nosy, (or their kids)?

Were the Van Dams having a sex/drug party locked in the garage, leaving their kids upstairs open to abduction from one of the "swingers" or Westerfield?

This stinks on so many levels.

/1/ The Van Dams didn't check Danielle's room from 10pm to 930AM when a friend of hers came looking for her to play???????

/2/ Mommy Van Damm just "happened" to run into Westerfield at the bar, and isn't sure if she danced with him or not???????

52 posted on 02/09/2002 9:27:36 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: diefree
***Although I am suspicious of the parents also, I don't pay much attention to the emotional aspect. I am not an emotional person in public, prefering to keep my feelings to myself. ***

I don't know if you have children...but if you do, wouldn't you display *some* type of emotion if one was missing?!

53 posted on 02/09/2002 9:28:08 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: BunnySlippers
Oh God.
54 posted on 02/09/2002 9:29:34 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Henrietta
see post #22
55 posted on 02/09/2002 9:30:27 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: It's me
Mrs Van Damm did NOT DENY she danced with Westerfield, it was "Clinton speak" like "I don't recall dancing with him, he may have danced with one of my friends".

You REALLY have to "parse" every word from the Van Damms. It's "Clinton speak", every word of it.

Westerfield's movements are damning. The ONLY reason people go to the desert there is to go dune buggying. No dune buggy, no reason. So what's his reason? As as experienced desert traveler, he's very aware that anything buried will be windswept "clean" on top very fast. No tracks, no trail, no scent.

56 posted on 02/09/2002 9:33:35 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: BunnySlippers
High rates of conviction can be scary.

A few years ago in NewYork City, a man claimed to be sexually assaulted on deserted subway platforms. He claimed this about 30 different times, consequently, about 30 men were arrested.

He did this all over the city and since the precincts weren't coordinating arrests, it was not noticed that one man was putting in so many complaints.

About 25 of the 30 who were arrested plea-bargained because they were afraid of going to trial.

Luckily for them, a policeman responding to a sexual abuse complaint realized that it was the same man he had responded to once before. This led him to investigate as to whether the man was making up stories and he found all the innocent people and had them exonerated.

57 posted on 02/09/2002 9:34:53 AM PST by diefree
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To: wasfree
The kiddie porn goes way beyond what's on a computer. Police removed big brown bags full of it.
58 posted on 02/09/2002 9:35:58 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: homeschool mama
Yes I would, to family and friends, but not on TV.
59 posted on 02/09/2002 9:36:18 AM PST by diefree
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To: EggsAckley
I heard the report that he found the alarm flashing and the door open, but thought nothing of it. I have to question why didn't he go through the house and check if everything was ok?
60 posted on 02/09/2002 9:38:02 AM PST by Kaslin
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