American workers won't work for low wages like illegals will. If you take the illegals out of the equation, then Americans will work. How did these jobs get done before the influx of illegal aliens? I'll tell you how - we did them!!
Posted on 02/16/2002 4:32:59 AM PST by sarcasm
Reg, I'm not sure the truth can be neatly labeled as conservative or hard line conservative.
Bush is in favor of amnesty to illegal aliens. That's not an anonymous quote, that's reality.
Yep, the end game is to be ruled by a political class of socialists and business élites. The result will be a balkanized nation of regional ethnic groups that have little in common with one another. The notion of “We The People” will be meaningless.
The United States and the rest of the developed world--Europe and Japan--has a declining birth rate: more coffins than cradles. The industrialized world can no longer support its welfare programs for the elderly--not enough younger workers.
This is the reason we see people from India, Pakistan and Arab nations taking over London--I was there last summer and the tube has more of them than Brits--and why Bush is pushing an open border. The industrialized world must import younger workers to continue to support it welfare programs for the elderly.
The people on this thread vowing they won't continue to support the GOP and complaining of voters' remorse had an opportunity this past election but instead bought into the GOP's argument that we had to vote Bush or we'd get Gore. Bottom line: the GOP's rhetoric never matches its actions and there simply isn't much difference between the two major parties.
That is the key. It ends welfare for illegals (no more anchor babies); it turns off the big magnet; and it restores common sense to the notion of citizenship.
The 14th was written to solve one problem, and that problem has been solved (citizenship for slaves). And it was also written when the notion of borders was rather fixed: In 1871 no one would have said that people loyal to Santa Anna could simply cross the Rio Grande en masse, drop a kid, and magically be baptised "Americans".
I have read carefully every quote from Pres. Bush on this issue. He has said he's not for "blanket amnesty." Was that a lie? Is he for a "semi-amnesty"? What? Recently he was talking tough about tightening the borders and kicking out those who "overstayed their visas," and some on FR were saying, "See? We told you so! We told you he was going to fix the Southern border and kick out illegals!" But what he seemed to be saying was that he would tighten the Northern border, and kick out those illegals who were "supposed to be here for a period of time," but had overstayed their visas. That does not apply to illegals who sneaked over the Mexican border. They never had visas.
I've been trying to "read between the lines," trying to give the President the benefit of the doubt. But my spirits are sinking more and more. There have been some great ideas here, like the citizen border patrol or seizing the assets of illegals. But will they ever be implemented? What we, the people, want does not seem to matter. We have voted (for Prop. 187,) sent faxes, e-mails, signed petitions, made phone calls, protested, sent letters, etc., etc. Over and over again, our pleas are ignored. Poll after poll shows that the American people overwhelmingly do NOT want amnesty or benefits to illegals. What else do we have to do?! Clearly, what we want doesn't matter. Amnesty is going to be pushed through whether we like it or not. I don't want to give up, I don't want to get discouraged, but things are looking worse and worse.
God help us.
What this says is citizens under the jurisdiction of the United States. Illegals, even though they are subject to our laws while here legally or not, are technically not under our jurisdiction in the sense that they claim citizenship to another country.
I'm not a lawyer, but it seems a plausible argument in that direction can be made to uphold any law barring automatic citizenship to children of illegals at the Supreme Court level. In fact, I've read the rantings of a few immigration attorneys who fear at some point the US government may attempt to close this loophole now being exploited by the illegals.
It is very important they do, because it is a primary factor in drawing so many of them here, obviously the pregnant ones.
Polls show that about 45% of Americans want less immigration, 45% want about the same amount of immigration, and 10% want more immigration.
What do you call a government that ignores the wishes of 90% of its citizenry? A Tyranny!
The RepublicRats will never get my vote ever again. sic semper tyrannis
There may be a few politicians left who do, but neither party does. They are just two wings of the same globalist, elitist, socialist party - one wing is pro-business and one is anti-white.
A bill that would do this was introduced by Bob Stump of Arizona, but has been in stasis since 1997.
If I thought that a solidly Republican Congress would go ahead and push this bill and that Bush would sign it, I might feel a lot better. But that is not what I am hearing from people who know. They say the push is just the opposite, and that conservatives are getting leaned on.
So the Supreme Court route seems to be an alternative route. Maybe it will be. But it was also the Supreme court which started interpreting "and subject to..." as a territorial thing, as you described: subject to the laws. But that is not what the Congress meant. They meant "a subject of", as in a citizen of a sovereign nation. But the Wong Kim Ark case in 1899 blurred that notion.
Somebody has to act. It's ludicrous that any one can get off a plane, head to the emergency room, have the baby, and presto!, you've got a new American citizen.
That's the biggest argument yet against "amnesty", "regularization", "free flow" or whatever euphemism they want to use.
You're right, he cares more for the illegals and Vincente Fox than he does the average American, and this sickens me to no end. Like someone else posted, if he loves Mexico and Mexicans so much, let him move there, instead of moving all of them here.
He IS weak. Sure, he can send the military over to Afghanistan and hunt down the terrorists, but he goes weak in the knees when he faces Vincente Fox. Weird!
American workers won't work for low wages like illegals will. If you take the illegals out of the equation, then Americans will work. How did these jobs get done before the influx of illegal aliens? I'll tell you how - we did them!!
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