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To: Donald Stone
No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation.
5 posted on 03/05/2002 3:19:56 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation

You need look no further than a mirror for evidence.

9 posted on 03/05/2002 3:26:25 AM PST by steve-b
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B.S. Dane. I'm not surprised this is coming from you.

This situation was screwed up six ways from Sunday. As far as I'm concerned, someone (perhaps many someones) need to have their careers ended at this point, so that this will be less likly to happen in the future. There were so many other ways this could have been happened. As someone else recently pointed out, what the hell happend to observation behind safe cover? There's a reason cops hide behind the doors of their cruisers. This was sheer incompetance, plain and simple, and it's unjustifiable.
11 posted on 03/05/2002 3:27:38 AM PST by WyldKard
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To: Dane
No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation.

I think I pretty much agree with you....frightening- I'd better light up!

12 posted on 03/05/2002 3:28:26 AM PST by RJCogburn
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The FBI are acting like arrogant weasels: There is NO mafia or drug trafficer threat to the agent. His name and picture should be released. The law abiding citizenry should be allowed to treat him and his family as they see fit. Without community pressure on LEOs, there will be no justice.
13 posted on 03/05/2002 3:28:43 AM PST by eno_
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To: Dane
No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation.

It might have been better if this "unfortunate situation" had happened to a drug dealer and user, particularly one who had not been arrested yet fot his past offences. Know anyone like that?

18 posted on 03/05/2002 3:34:59 AM PST by Protagoras
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I think you totally misunderstand people's reaction.

Most people aren't happy this happened we are furious over the militancy of Federal, (and local) police forces. The sad fact is this agent was probably trained to do just what he did. In other words (for their own safety) to point his gun at everybody and his brother that might be a danger to him.

I have a friend who is a retired Colonel and extraordinary pilot. He was driving with his wife, (he is in his 70,s) when he was stopped by duputies with guns drawn and pointed at him. They ordered them out of the vehicle and treated them roughly until they determined the elderly couple were not who they were after.

Pointing a gun at someone is a far more serious offense than cops seem to realize. It could rightfully cause people to think they were about to be murdered and respond appropriately. Especially when the cops are in plain clothes.

The fact that cops are routinely not even given a slap on the wrist after murdering a civilian naturally causes anger.

19 posted on 03/05/2002 3:36:16 AM PST by yarddog
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To: Dane
No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points

What does this mean? Is it political to criticize the FBI? Is talking about that innocent man from Boston, who was allowed to rot in prison all those years for something he didn't do, political? Even though he was sent there by the FBI, who knew from the beginning that he was innocent.

22 posted on 03/05/2002 3:39:40 AM PST by scouse
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To: Dane
but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation.

"This unfortunate situation" is just a little bit too common. Officers in these situations often seem to be looking for their chance to try out their shooting skills.

33 posted on 03/05/2002 3:54:11 AM PST by arthurus
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To: Dane
"No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation."

It's not a question of perfect, Dane. It's a question of basic competence.

38 posted on 03/05/2002 4:03:50 AM PST by SpencerRoane
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To: Dane
No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation.

Most federal law enforcement agencies will suffer from corruption and incompetence, but that won't stop people from defending them for their own political points and do an eleanor clift like (boot?) licking to try to spin what is merely just the latest of a long and continuing history of major screw ups.

41 posted on 03/05/2002 4:08:48 AM PST by Wm Bach
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Looks like you managed to get the phrase, " clinton like blood dance" into the post - again. Is this your phrase of choice for this particular story?

You're right law enforcement isn't perfect - no human is. However, when an unarmed civillian is shot in the face trying to comply with law enforcement orders, this is a problem. I agree that it was a mistake and mistakes happen, and I personally wouldn't try to put the FBI officer in jail. BUT, he sure wouldn't be working for the FBI anymore if I were in charge. Bye-bye trigger happy.

44 posted on 03/05/2002 4:12:04 AM PST by realpatriot71
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So, let me get this straight: you think we should keep hot dogs like this guy in law enforcement?
45 posted on 03/05/2002 4:16:01 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Dane
No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation.

Ah yes, an "unfortunate situation". ROFL - who's acting Clintonesque here? That sounds like something I'd hear out of the mouth of Paul Begala. You know very well the difference between condemning the actions of THESE agents and condemning the entire FBI. People here on FR are understandably disgusted with how THIS INCIDENT was handled, but that won't stop you from trying to spin it as unwarranted criticism of all cops.

52 posted on 03/05/2002 4:25:42 AM PST by NittanyLion
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Dane, Lord knows we need police. But we need police that uphold the law. They should arrest suspects and bring them safely to jail, so a judge and jury can decide their fate.

We do not, however, need Columbian-style death squads, judge-jury-executioners all rolled up into one. (Whooping it up? While some young man lays dying on the ground?) If we do not prosecute this murderous agent (and his fun-loving partner) we invite more of the same. And when the fear and loathing of federal agents becomes endemic, our society could come apart like a cheap suit. Do you want that? People busting caps at law enforcement wherever they see them? I certainly don't.

Give me (decent) law and order, any day. I was taught to "respect the police, they are your friends." And most of them are, but it doesn't take too many awful incidents like this to make people distrustful and afraid of them. Know what I mean? I hope so.

Regards,

67 posted on 03/05/2002 4:37:08 AM PST by GhostofWCooper
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No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation. Sure, pal. It's all fun and games and excuses until it happens to you. Or maybe your wife and kids.
112 posted on 03/05/2002 7:17:53 AM PST by Noumenon
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"The agent involved in the shooting has been assigned to duties that will likely not involve armed confrontation"

That's really a shame.

114 posted on 03/05/2002 7:26:16 AM PST by thepitts
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No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation.

Dane, the ones doing the LITERAL BLOOD DANCE were the FBI agents laughing and whooping it up over Schultz' bleeding body while they withheld medical attention.

127 posted on 03/05/2002 8:52:31 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Dane
No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and continuously making excuses for overzealous, steroid enhanced, incompetent fools masquerading as law enforcement officers.

Dane, how about you let my swat team practice their "arrest techniques" on your children.

128 posted on 03/05/2002 8:53:27 AM PST by Lloyd227
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Why should we give this fbi agent a by? Why shouldn't he be tried like anyone else involved in a shooting of another person? Do we give these people the right to kill any time they want to? This agent should have been arrested and held in jail pending a bail hearing.
171 posted on 03/05/2002 2:05:38 PM PST by gunshy
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"Joseph Charles Schultz, the Anne Arundel County man shot Friday after being mistaken for a bank robbery suspect, was reaching to unfasten his seat belt to comply with an FBI agent's order when the agent opened fire, an attorney for Schultz's family said yesterday...

"FBI officials have acknowledged that Schultz had no connection to the crime or to the suspect...

"Schultz, an Eagle Scout, graduated from Northeast High School in Pasadena in 2000...

"As a result of Friday's shooting, Schultz had a shattered right cheekbone and jaw, as well as damage to his nasal passages, the attorney said. The bullet had lodged in his left cheek, and it was unclear whether or when doctors would try to remove it.

""There's certainly going to be some extensive reconstructive surgery that's needed," Asensio said."

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No law emforcement agency will ever be perfect, but that won't stop people pushing their own political points and do a clinton like blood dance over this unfortunate situation.

5 posted on 3/5/02 7:19 AM Eastern by Dane

This is the opposite of perfect. It was total incompetence and all Dane is concerned about is that people will accurately identify it for what it is -- a police officer nearly killed an innocent citizen for complying with the cop's order. The cop was probably high on drugs, right Dane?

179 posted on 03/05/2002 7:07:36 PM PST by Zon
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