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Rant About Star Trek: Enterprise That Does Probably Not Belong Here
Reve BM, Editorial, rant | March 13, 2001 | Reve BM

Posted on 03/13/2002 3:13:17 PM PST by ReveBM

Okay, let me first off say that I am a big fan of the newest Star Trek series, Enterprise. I thought that the last series, Voyager, had gotten tired and had too many episodes revolving around the masturbatory holodeck. And, don't even get me started on the series before that, Deep Space 9, with its "angry pissed-off black man in space" theme.

The new Enterprise series has a freshness about it not seen in my opinion since the original series of 1967-69, what with the swashbuckling Captain Kirk. A good slice of the new series' appeal for me is its handsome, rugged, all-American Captain, Jonathan Archer.

One particular episode, though, rubbed me the wrong way. If you've watched the series you may remember the pivotal episode where they visit the "Great Plume of Agasoria", a stellar object that has religious significance for many alien peoples. Smack in the middle of this episode, the alien doctor pointedly asks Captain Archer whether he has a faith (I don't remember the exact wording, he may have used religion or some other wording).

Captain Archer's response: "I try to keep an open mind".

Let's step back a bit and realize that in the Star Trek universe at this point Earth is just emerging from a hard 100+ years of recovering from nuclear war. If there were ever a time for people to turn to God, perhaps it would have been in the aftermath of that holocaust. However, not so for the boys at Star Fleet.

Perhaps in the Star Trek future, people who are religious do not go into space, staying on their farms (as shown in the first episode of the series) or perhaps forming small communities on spacefaring cargo ships (as shown in another episode). However, religious people don't seem to go into Star Fleet, to my knowledge. It's fine and understandable to run across aliens who are committed religiously, particularly the Vulcans, but I have yet in my memory to run across a significant Star Trek character who is committed to Christianity. You might think I'm harping on Christianity in particular, but it's not only a major and still-growing religion in our world today, but it's the dominant religion in the United States, which fields a large portion of visible Star Fleet personnel, perhaps due to the San Francisco location of its training center (or perhaps many other people in the world died during nuclear war)?

Wait, I get it, maybe religious people are somehow screened out during Star Fleet Academy, perhaps for unacceptable views they might have on one or another topic.

Let's also not forget that in the future, at least according to Star Trek, there is no capitalism at some point. The description of how this happens and in what century is vague, but I vividly remember more than one Star Trek Captain saying that in the future they don't use money anymore, just look to expand their "human potential". Thank God for the Ferengi.

Star Trek is written by writers and reflects their view of what the future will be like. They obviously seem to assume that Christianity and capitalism will die out over the generations. This reflects the fondness of liberals in particular to enter our schools and inculcate our young people so that they don't have unacceptable, politically incorrect views among the future generations, whether regarding homosexuality or some other topic.

It would have been extremely refreshing to have had Captain Archer at LEAST say "Yes, I have a faith, but it's very personal to me" and leave it at that.

Whether Christianity could survive the discovery of intelligent life on other planets is a topic for another day. I have read some science fiction suggesting it could. Others may disagree.

Have a nice day!


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To: Cloud William
In Star Trek IV, Kirk also mentions, "They still use money" in reference to the 20th century, leading me to believe that the PC folks had gotten to the writers by that time.
101 posted on 03/15/2002 12:22:30 PM PST by Junior
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To: ReveBM
The bible says God created Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Eve and Little Green Men.

Little Green Men exist in Star Trek. Therefore, the bible was proven a novel (Which, I think it is) the day the Vulcans landed on earth (2064??). It makes sense that Star Trek doesn't recognize God. (At least the way the Bible says we should recognize him).

Sorry...You can't have it both ways. Either you believe in the bible or you believe NOTHING like Star Trek will EVER be true. (Thus, a lot of my problem with organized religions).

Just my thoughts...

102 posted on 03/15/2002 12:22:51 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: Pistias
And remember, the Vulcans' adherence to logic is an effort to sublimate their rather violent natures. I remember reading somewhere that Vulcans adopted the philosophy of logic after an exceedingly brutal war.
103 posted on 03/15/2002 12:25:03 PM PST by Junior
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To: Zeroisanumber
They have replicators, when you can replicate any product that you want the capitalist system takes a nosedive.

But think about the poor guy who developed the replicator -- he's not going to make any money off his invention because he just basically destroyed the economy. How is anyone going to buy one of these things? Anything they offer for one can just as simply be made by the replicator. Replicators are like free energy -- they are simply too dangerous to an economy to allow to exist.

104 posted on 03/15/2002 12:40:16 PM PST by Junior
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To: all
Right now I'm watching the second part of the DS9 episode "Past Tense". This episode is one which clearly shows the socialist leanings of the entire "Trek" genre. Check out a review of the episode here: http://www.st-hypertext.com/ds9-3/past1.html
105 posted on 03/15/2002 12:44:19 PM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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To: Samwise
You're welcome. TNN is no longer The Nashville Network, it's now The National Network, so they're a bit more...mainstream than they used to be. Buying the rights to Star Trek was part of that "rebirth."
106 posted on 03/15/2002 1:06:17 PM PST by Future Snake Eater
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To: Johnny Shear
I believe that the bible was inspired by God to speak across many generations of mankind. Therefore, it uses language that is understandable by multiple generations, not necessarily going into great detail about technological achievements of the present day.

At the same time, I don't spend my time poring over the bible looking for references to automobiles or nuclear war, I take it as it is and let it inspire me with prayer and reflection.

At a minimum for my faith not to be shaken by contact with intelligent alien cultures, I would have to see *some* evidence of the same God that I worship in their own culture.

I am not an expert on this subject, but when Western missionaries first started visiting China and studying Chinese, they were excited by what they believed were references to the Christian God embedded within the Chinese calligraphy system itself. These ideas are still taught today among Chinese-speaking Christians. I would at a minimum look for some reference to a concept of sin and a need for an intermediary for remission of sins.

I think the Ferengi could be a big problem, unless Christians just decide they are the spawn of Satan...

107 posted on 03/15/2002 3:36:37 PM PST by ReveBM
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To: ReveBM
At a minimum for my faith not to be shaken by contact with intelligent alien cultures, I would have to see *some* evidence of the same God that I worship in their own culture.

There are science fiction novels that explore this theme. Not many, but they're out there and some are quite good. I don't remember any titles or authors just now (perhaps someone will chime in with that info) but I recall one where we encountered a species with no concept of sin. Possibly "A Case of Conscience" by James Blish. And there's another novel where God abandons humans and makes a covenant with the aliens instead. If I recall the ending, the humans declare: "He has chosen a worthy adversary."

108 posted on 03/15/2002 4:20:29 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Look for a short story by Arthur C. Clarke titled: "The Star". It is currently available bound in paperback form with a collection of other short sci-fi tales by Clarke.
109 posted on 03/16/2002 8:52:22 AM PST by Cloud William
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To: Sci Fi Guy
They also have an anti-hunting show coming up. Where they visit a planet of hunters. It turns out that the hunters favorite prey is intelligent. See animals are people too.

I really can't bust their chops over that plot. It is simply another retread of a well-worn story, as follows:

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(snip)

The general puffed at his cigarette.

"After the debacle in Russia I left the country, for it was imprudent for an officer of the Czar to stay there. Many noble Russians lost everything. I, luckily, had invested heavily in American securities, so I shall never have to open a tearoom in Monte Carlo or drive a taxi in Paris. Naturally, I continued to hunt--grizzliest in your Rockies, crocodiles in the Ganges, rhinoceroses in East Africa. It was in Africa that the Cape buffalo hit me and laid me up for six months. As soon as I recovered I started for the Amazon to hunt jaguars, for I had heard they were unusually cunning. They weren't." The Cossack sighed. "They were no match at all for a hunter with his wits about him, and a high-powered rifle. I was bitterly disappointed. I was lying in my tent with a splitting headache one night when a terrible thought pushed its way into my mind. Hunting was beginning to bore me! And hunting, remember, had been my life. I have heard that in America businessmen often go to pieces when they give up the business that has been their life."

"Yes, that's so," said Rainsford.

The general smiled. "I had no wish to go to pieces," he said. "I must do something. Now, mine is an analytical mind, Mr. Rainsford. Doubtless that is why I enjoy the problems of the chase."

"No doubt, General Zaroff."

"So," continued the general, "I asked myself why the hunt no longer fascinated me. You are much younger than I am, Mr. Rainsford, and have not hunted as much, but you perhaps can guess the answer."

"What was it?"

"Simply this: hunting had ceased to be what you call `a sporting proposition.' It had become too easy. I always got my quarry. Always. There is no greater bore than perfection."

The general lit a fresh cigarette.

"No animal had a chance with me any more. That is no boast; it is a mathematical certainty. The animal had nothing but his legs and his instinct. Instinct is no match for reason. When I thought of this it was a tragic moment for me, I can tell you."

Rainsford leaned across the table, absorbed in what his host was saying.

"It came to me as an inspiration what I must do," the general went on.

"And that was?"

The general smiled the quiet smile of one who has faced an obstacle and surmounted it with success. "I had to invent a new animal to hunt," he said.

"A new animal? You're joking." "Not at all," said the general. "I never joke about hunting. I needed a new animal. I found one. So I bought this island built this house, and here I do my hunting. The island is perfect for my purposes--there are jungles with a maze of traits in them, hills, swamps--"

"But the animal, General Zaroff?"

"Oh," said the general, "it supplies me with the most exciting hunting in the world. No other hunting compares with it for an instant. Every day I hunt, and I never grow bored now, for I have a quarry with which I can match my wits."

Rainsford's bewilderment showed in his face.

"I wanted the ideal animal to hunt," explained the general. "So I said, `What are the attributes of an ideal quarry?' And the answer was, of course, `It must have courage, cunning, and, above all, it must be able to reason."'

"But no animal can reason," objected Rainsford.

"My dear fellow," said the general, "there is one that can."

"But you can't mean--" gasped Rainsford...

(snip)

- Excerpt from The Most Dangerous Game, by Richard Connell ***********************************************

Star Trek, in all of it's forms, has "borrowed" from literature. If this upcoming episode will be about hunting sentient animals, I'm inclined to see it as a re-telling of the above story. BTW, Gilligan's Island did an episode based on that story, too, FWIW.

This will be interesting indeed. At least in the past, when Trek writers "borrowed" plots (i.e.: "Arena"), they were fairly faithful to the original story. If they turn *this* story into a blanket statement against hunting, they will be discarding the original message in favor of current leftist thinking (valuing animals more than people). My response will be swift and brutal: "Tribble Skeet".

110 posted on 03/16/2002 9:38:57 AM PST by Cloud William
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To: hellinahandcart
You're right about DS9. I think it's the most underappreciated of the series- and maybe the best, although it would take a lot to surpass seasons 2, 3, 4, and 5 of Next Generation. Sure, they're a bunch of liberals, but that only annoyed me once or twice over the years.
111 posted on 03/16/2002 9:50:20 AM PST by Burr5
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To: ReveBM
I don't remember where I found it, but here is the link to the most hated character in the entire Star Trek franchise:
Amazingly Annoying Twerp: Wil Wheaton

Not only hated but obviously a first class liberal of Baldwin proportions. Here is an excerpt from one of the little sphincters earlier flatulations:
"Here's what I think: I currently live in The Corporate States of America. George Bush was appointed CEO by the Board of Directors, and we, the people, are just the pesky shareholders. But we don't even have the good stock, so they really don't have to listen to us, and they rarely do."

Actually I'm glad to find out that this freak is such a flaming liberal.

Annoying Twerp <--> Flaming Liberal

Yes, the universe is OK!

112 posted on 03/20/2002 6:05:26 PM PST by avg_freeper
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To: avg_freeper
I had the misfortune of seeing the Star Trek edition of The Weakest Link. Wil Wheaton was absolutely obnoxious. Now it all makes sense... he's a boorish, no-talent Liberal. No wonder I've always had this burning desire to see "Wesley" ejected from an airlock. I forget which Trek actresses were on the show, but Wheaton seriously pissed one of them off with some comment of his.
113 posted on 03/20/2002 9:58:13 PM PST by Cloud William
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To: ReveBM
Don't forget that tonight's episode was extra-ordinarily anti-Hunting.....

First the Captain, while visiting with an alien race that was activly engaged in a panned game hunt that "hunting grew out of fashion centuries ago in our culture".

Strike one...

Then the captain winds up in contact with one of the species hunted and he gives them a "cover scent" so to speak to help "level the playing field".

He proceeds to ridicule the alien species for hunting.... and their lack of success......

114 posted on 03/25/2002 6:03:34 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: ReveBM
First, let me say that I agree with you.

However, if you read some of the science fiction that
may have formed the cradle of the Star Trek Series, you will
find a similar disregard for religion in terms of human
progress. I find that there is a great deal of parallel
thought between Star Trek and the writings of Isaac Asimov
in particular. While I am an Asimov fan, he was in general
quite critical of religion. His view, along with many other
atheist science fiction writers was that religion would
be replaced by rational thought and would eventually become nothing more then a relic of the past. Star Trek seems to
pretty much go with this theory though it's never explicitly stated.

The only exception to this that I know of in the Star Trek Universe is in the DS9 series. Major Kira and her people
("the Bejorans?) were all involved with this worship of the 'prophets' or whatever. They managed to portray a respectable, intelligent character who had beliefs of a religious nature. Most of the other religious characters in the star trek universe usually end up being obssesed fanatics intent on destroying or converting all who don't agree with them. (sounds a lot like descriptions of Christianity coming from the extreme left of the atheist world).

I would also like to see more characters like major Kira,
and, in general, a more realistic treatment of religion with regards to humanity and it's progress through the ages.
115 posted on 05/06/2004 2:57:43 PM PDT by mgardne
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To: Cable225
I think that some of the best plots in Star Trek, as well as Science fiction in general, have been those that actually did deal, in some metaphorical way, with actual political and social issues that we face. Those that make some kind of statement or ask us to question the way we view things are those that will endure. A very classic episode from TOS was titled something like 'Let this be your Last Graveyard'. Briefly, this episode dealt quite bluntly with issues of racism and hate and stated that racial violence could spell the end of our civilization. This was back in the 70's I think when racial tensions were really becoming a problem.

Now, there was a Star Trek Enterprise episode recently that featured a set of vulcans who were practicing mind-melds with eachother, a practice found disgusting by vulcan society at large. This practice also exposed some of them to a particular mental disease. Captain Archer criticized the Vulcan leaders for not doing more to find a cure for this disease, accusing them of a sort of bigotry. This was a metaphor for the issue of AIDS and homosexuality today. The point was that those who oppose increased funding for AIDS research do so on the basis of bigoted intolerance for homosexuals. Now, let me emphasize that I don't agree with the political point that was being made. However, I think this was a good episode because of the artistry with which the point is made.

so, to sum up, you don't have to agree with the liberal-atheist politics of Star Trek to enjoy it.
116 posted on 05/06/2004 3:07:47 PM PDT by mgardne
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To: Jason Kauppinen
There have been some instances in which the enterprise has offered to trade supplies with other ships, but no mention of money has been made that I know of.
117 posted on 05/06/2004 3:15:02 PM PDT by mgardne
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To: Dr. Frank fan
The Star Trek universe didn't think through the societal aspects of their world very much at all. Picard states in one show that money has been eliminated, then they meet the Pherengi and that's all they talk about.
118 posted on 05/06/2004 3:19:11 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: ReveBM
I enjoy "Enterprise" too, especially Captain Archer (kudos to Scott Bakula!). That said, I still think Star Trek is most definitely humanistic and is thus naturally in direct opposition to Christianity.
119 posted on 05/06/2004 3:23:51 PM PDT by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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To: hellinahandcart
Watching a test pattern was more entertaining than watching Voyager
120 posted on 05/06/2004 3:30:18 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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