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Bullish Investors Need Reality Check
Yahoo!NEWS ^ | Sunday March 17 8:17 AM ET | Pierre Belec

Posted on 03/18/2002 7:03:42 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Sunday March 17 8:17 AM ET

Bullish Investors Need Reality Check

By Pierre Belec

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Federal Reserve (news - web sites) Chairman Alan Greenspan (news - web sites), in his most exuberant assessment of the economy in more than a year, recently spoke the words that launched stocks on a rocket ride: ``An economic expansion is already well under way.''

But some Wall Street veterans worry that the bulls may be rushing into a trap that could be called ``Irrational Exuberance, Part 2.''

In his semiannual report to Congress this month, the Fed chief seemed to signal the end of what may have been one of the briefest recessions in history. Investors, seeking to get even after getting slammed by crumbling stock prices last year, put on their buying boots and waded back in with the type of vigor not seen since the wild days of the 1990s bull market.

The Dow Jones industrial average is up nearly 5 percent for the year. The Standard & Poor's 500 index has poked its head above water after being submerged for most of the year.

Indeed, the market's performance has been remarkable since the Dow sank to a 3-year low of 8,236 on Sept. 21 shortly after the devastating attacks on the United States. The Dow has zoomed nearly 30 percent, S&P jumped 20 percent and the technology-laced Nasdaq composite climbed more than 35 percent, clearly putting the key stock gauges in a classic bull market mode, defined as a rally of 20 percent or more from their lows.

The bullish enthusiasm this week sparked Salomon Smith Barney to up its target for the Dow to 11,400 from 10,800 previously.

But veteran traders say investors and Greenspan, who famously warned about ``irrational exuberance'' in the stock market in December 1996, are both suffering from ``Irrational Exuberance, Part 2.'' The old-timers say the bulls will need to come to their senses and wait for hard evidence that the recession is in fact over and then for corporate earnings to improve. A balancing act would appear to be in order.

``The majority of commentators did not see the recession coming, didn't believe it when it arrived, minimized it when they acknowledged that the economy indeed was in recession, and now the current wisdom is that there was no recession after all,'' says James Dines, publisher of the Dines Letter, and a long-time investment adviser based in California.

There's too much optimism in the market, says Dines, who believes that cash and gold are the safest places to park money.

``What if we turn out to be wrong,?'' he says. ``You would be stuck with cash and that is hardly the worst fate imaginable.'' RUN FOR YOUR LIFE

Dines bet: A major stock market sell-off that will be more bone-jarring than most people envision. ``Our advice is to run for your life,'' Dines says.

A case can be made that the economy is rebounding. Growth in the fourth-quarter gross domestic product was revised to the upside and workers' productivity shot up at the fastest rate in two years while labor costs sank.

Unfortunately, corporate earnings went into a nosedive, posting their biggest drop in recent memory, thus the disconnect between economic optimism and the corporate earnings. The slump in corporate profits shows one important thing: Corporate America is selling goods but can't make the profits that would normally fuel the stock market.

Yet, investors have pumped up the price-to-earnings ratio of companies in the S&P to a whopping 22 times this year's earnings, according to the tracking firm Thomson Financial/First Call. This is just below 26 times when the S&P last set a record high in March 2000. The norm for the P/E is 15.

It's fair to say that investors are still not correcting to reasonable expectations. Never in the history of past recessions have so many people been so bullish and stocks so overvalued while the economy was on shaky ground.

Bullish investors may again be proven wrong in a big way, and the nice paper profits they amassed in March could evaporate just as quickly.

The jury is still out on whether the recession is over and the expansion under way. In past recessions, the economy has fooled Wall Street, initially signaling a recovery that turned out to be a mirage.

DOUBLE-DIP ANYONE?

``A double-dip alert always bears repeating in the depths of recession,'' says Stephen Roach, chief economist for Morgan Stanley. ``One of the two classic preconditions of the double-dips has already fallen into place -- a massive rate of (business) inventory liquidation in the fourth quarter of 2001.''

What is likely to happen is that once the stimulus from this inventory drawdown is exhausted, the economy will stall, and the recovery may prove to be a dead-cat bounce.

``I think the case for a double-dip is quite compelling,'' Roach says. ``Following on the tendency of five of the past six recessions, I suspect double-dip could commence by springtime.''

Talk of a full-blown recovery is meaningless until there is sustained spending by businesses, which has been the weak link that slam-dunked the economy into recession a year ago. And in order for businesses to continue to buy more stuff, sales will need to accelerate relative to inventories, which will bring fatter profits.

The trend lately among businesses has been to let inventories run down and to hold back on new production and hiring more workers until there are clear signals of a rebound in consumption.

News of an unexpected drop in the nation's jobless rate in February buoyed the Street, but the numbers were only bullish relative to economists' low expectations.

The dip to 5.5 percent from 5.6 percent in January was caused by one-time factors such as the unseasonably warm weather that boosted construction jobs and the return of laid-off automobile workers. Traditionally, the jobless rate increases in a recession and workers continue to get pink slips even as the economy recovers.

Experts say the drop in unemployment can't be sustained and they expect the jobless rate to increase to more than 6 percent by the middle of the year.

Many companies are facing cutthroat competition and can't raise prices.

The only way that a lot of businesses can move their goods is through massive discounting, for example, Detroit's teaser zero-interest rate on loans to buy cars. So in this kind of climate, it would be foolhardy to expect companies to regain their stamina any time soon.

ACCOUNTING PROBLEMS

Then, there's the accounting brouhaha. The betting is that first-quarter earnings will be ugly as companies are forced to adjust to stricter accounting rules following the Enron Corp. mess. A lot of nasty problems were hidden during the boom years when the high-flyers made bad acquisitions and the resulting write-offs are bound to slam their results.

Also there are massive credit problems. Moody's Investors Service, the credit rating firm, has downgraded five times the number of companies that it upgraded in the first quarter.

Investors need a reality check because the backdrop for a bull market may not be as rosy as they think.

For the week, the Nasdaq fell 3.2 percent to 1,868, the Dow gained 0.3 percent to 10,607 and the S&P 500 rose 0.2 percent to 1,166.

(Pierre Belec is a freelance writer who covers stocks for Reuters. Any opinions in the column are solely those of Mr. Belec.)

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1 posted on 03/18/2002 7:03:42 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Is it just me or do you love to post gloom and doom forcasts?
2 posted on 03/18/2002 7:06:56 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
I bought a bunch of Valero (VLO) a couple months ago at $30.50. Its moved up to $45 & change and pays a nice dividend.
3 posted on 03/18/2002 7:25:44 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Damn if the leftist neoCONservatives can only get in a couple more tax cuts DOW 30,000! LMAO.
4 posted on 03/18/2002 7:32:28 AM PST by FaDeThEBuTcHeR
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This article perpetuates the common myth that the economy = the stock market. The biggest relationship between the two is that one is a barometer for confidence in the other.
5 posted on 03/18/2002 7:39:42 AM PST by The Duke
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To: FaDeThEBuTcHeR
36,000 DOW !
6 posted on 03/18/2002 7:53:11 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: The Duke
Re #5

But if the barometer breaks down, the economy will be in life support. Stock market is not a harmless measuring device. If it goes down, trillions of money will disappear. Economy without all those evaporated money will be a human body without blood. Flesh, brain, bones, and organs are all there. But little blood. I think that taming volatile dynamic of financial market could a worthy task. But the ideological and financial barrier against such task is really formidable. It is nearly impossible.

7 posted on 03/18/2002 7:59:00 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Always Right
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I am sorry that I continue to be blasphmous to your god, the BULL. But, to me, a bull is not an holy creature. Bull can be reckless and gore people to death if it is really angry. Perhaps, you should skip reading my posts if they depress you too much. There are many other things you can read in this forum as you are already aware.

8 posted on 03/18/2002 8:03:10 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I'm in the bear camp myself. This market strikes me as being overvalued and due for further correction. I'm completely in cash, lousy returns but I sleep well at night. I'm sick to death of the games being played on Wall Street nowadays, as far as I'm concerned all of these earnings reports are totally bogus, you can't believe a word any company is saying at this point. Oh, sure, the accounting firm says the numbers are good! (Ha, ha, hee hee hee). Oh, of course the SEC makes sure that nobody plays fast and loose with the rules (HO! HO! HAHAHA! HEE HEE HA HA HAHAHA HO HO!) We can count on Corporate America to play straight with the average investor! (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Ooops! Wet my pants!)

Why should I invest in companies that I don't trust to tell the truth about their finances? Why should I believe in the earnings reports of ANY companies anymore? Why should I believe in Wall Street enough to want to invest in it anymore?

9 posted on 03/18/2002 8:03:24 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Billy_bob_bob
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This whole market has been giving some anxiety since 1998. I felt as though I were sitting next to a giant sky-scraper going up fast and furiously without checking all saftey problems. The whole building was creaking badly when wind blows but nobody cared. Everybody was so awed by such a towering building going right through clouds. I was not buried in the tumbling rubbles yet. But It makes me worry.

10 posted on 03/18/2002 8:16:13 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Always Right
Some days the market is up and some days it is down. There really doesn't appear to be a definitive pattern to it at this point. There are people who claim that we are in a long term bear market and there are those who believe that we are just beginning a new bull trend. I tend to be cautiously optimistic myself. I'm not about to bet the farm on individual stocks but continue to dollar cost average into my Vanguard mutual funds. Been trading in and out of TXN to pick up a few extra bucks here and there. Patience and discipline may be the key to success for the next year or two.

Richard W.

11 posted on 03/18/2002 8:17:53 AM PST by arete
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I am sorry that I continue to be blasphmous to your god, the BULL. But, to me, a bull is not an holy creature. Bull can be reckless and gore people to death if it is really angry. Perhaps, you should skip reading my posts if they depress you too much.

I don't worship any BULL. The only Bull I see though is this story. A bunch of unnamed "experts", "investors", and other BS with no real analysis. I really don't look to Yahoo for investment advice. Just typical fear-mongering with no facts that back it up. There may be no reason to expect a big Bull market anytime soon, but there is also nothing to suggest the bottom is about to fall out either.

12 posted on 03/18/2002 8:24:14 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Is it just me or do you love to post gloom and doom forcasts?

I dunno about him, but I know Reuters sure loves to write them. They've been through so many layoffs lately (a result of a combination of bad management and anti-American writing destroying their reputation) that they appear to want everyone else to suffer as well. Especially the US.

13 posted on 03/18/2002 9:05:58 AM PST by Timesink
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