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When Socialist's try to run a farm.... they can't even run a farm from an arm's length away, and they want to run America? God help us, we're on a doomed ride with TNC in charge!
1 posted on 03/21/2002 5:50:52 AM PST by Issaquahking
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2 posted on 03/21/2002 5:56:28 AM PST by Issaquahking
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3 posted on 03/21/2002 5:59:35 AM PST by Issaquahking
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4 posted on 03/21/2002 6:00:45 AM PST by kitchen
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5 posted on 03/21/2002 6:01:02 AM PST by Issaquahking
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Everyone had great intentions going into the deal, but I think the partnership was based on overly optimistic assumptions about what the ranch could produce ... just the numbers of animals it could support, he said.

Allow me to translate:

'We thought we knew everything there was to know about "Sustainable Ranching." So we found some chump who would do it our way and killed the operation with the tyranny of our good ideas.

'We've got money. We can do whatever we want and say that it works.'

Folks, as much as I occasionally admire the scientific work done by TNC staff, this is a very dangerous operation. They have decided, up front, "how many cattle the ranch will support." Then they go about "proving" it. Then it turns up as Federal specifications for every ranch in America. They are also proving what will happen when those standards are adopted.

It's the socialist mantra:

If it doesn't work, make it so that everybody has to do it and then we'll be right!

Alan Savory has already proven how to run a profitable ranch and still take wonderful care of rangeland with his Holistic Management program. He'd be the first to tell you that he doesn't know very much and is still learning.

6 posted on 03/21/2002 6:19:30 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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POUNDS OF BEEF SOLD!!!! What kind of Conservancy is this? First, we want no dealings with capitalistic, profit making activities. They are evil, at face. Second, they must be required to provide the Conservancy with whatever resources are necessary to maintain the grounds in pristine shape. Its only purpose MUST be the enjoyment of the elitists who run the Conservancy. And, finally, beef must not be sold but should serve are organically pure input for the grey timber wolves that must be reintroduced on this land.

How could anyone in their right mind enter into a business relationship with something called the Conservancy, made up of leftist extremists, and not expect to get jacked around?

7 posted on 03/21/2002 6:31:06 AM PST by Tacis
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Got that right. Tak a look at all of the farmable land that the Soviet Union had and yet their people starved. Looks like TNC is trying to reinvent the USSR's agriculture program in the US.

We need to make sure not one dime of our tax money goes to fund this nonsense.

10 posted on 03/21/2002 6:58:59 AM PST by anymouse
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To: Issaquahking
Thanks for posting this interesting article.

With this little bit in the article, I have to wonder if a lot of PETAs are controlling TNC: The Tranels said, for example, that the conservancy required them to move 520 cow-calf pairs three times in one week during last summer's breeding season to conserve grazing pastures. Such a move decreases cattle conception rates and boosts labor costs, the ranchers said.

This was no accident. Some economic enviral terrorists with PETA leanings or a PETA engineered these 3 moves in one week to decrease the conception of new calves. Than means less cattle eventually in the meat market! The goal of Peta.

13 posted on 03/21/2002 8:16:32 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Issaquahking
Bumping to save the American farmer. American farmers feed the world. God Bless the American farmers and God Bless America.
14 posted on 03/21/2002 8:20:07 AM PST by JustAmy
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To: Issaquahking
...when Socialist's try to run a farm...

"Four legs bad...two legs good"

FMCDH!

21 posted on 03/21/2002 9:00:04 AM PST by nothingnew
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Great post! Carry, it's not too dead yet for me! I have to add my two cents worth to John H K.

John, you must've struck a raw nerve with Carry_Okie particulary since he was probably already stressed out with the project he was (is?) working on.

I don't know if you have had a chance to check out any more info on the Nature Conservancy and all the land-grabbing that's been going on, but I have a few more places I'd like to direct you to in your search.

I learned a lot from a website called the Property Rights Foundation of America, Inc. ( prfamerica.org ). Please see http://www.prfamerica.org/NYsNaturalHeritageProgram.html. It states that the Nature Conservancy is the largest environmental organization in the United States, with 1994 assets of just over one billion dollars. In that year, "TNC received $237,779,000 from sales of land to government, while expending [only!]$76,046,000 for this purpose." The rest of the article goes on to explain how TNC and the State of New York compile secret lists of "endangered species" on government and private land, and the only way you can find out about it is if you apply for a building permit. You cannot find out about it prior to buying the property in the first place. I suspect this goes on in other states as well.

Another scary example of collusion between government and the TNC is the "memo of understanding" [I wish someone could take this particular type of tyranny to the Supreme Court, although I'm waiting to see if these folks, some of whom had a private meeting with Kofi Annan, are in collusion as well] signed (W's name was mentioned) between TNC and the US Forest Service. See if you can find it on the prfamerica.org site. (A link is on their home page today) This agreement allows TNC the responsibility for "controlled burns" of FS lands. I've heard that a "controlled burn" was the cause of the fires at Los Alamos that devastated private owners as well. The purpose of these burns is ostensibly to preserve or restore grasslands (such as in this article) and "biodiversity" , and to destroy "invasive species". Unfortunately for us, we humans are considered by the environazis as THE most invasive species. You could spend a few hours at the prfamerica site and get a pretty good understanding of what the so-called "environmental" movement is about.

An article by Henry Lamb (another foremost property rights advocate) explains further the long reach of TNC, the direct funding by US tax dollars, indirect US funding through the UN, and direct funding by US (and State) government purchase. According to Henry TNC, World Wildlife Fund (founded by Prince Phillip who once said he would like to come back as a virus so as to kill off a bunch of us), IUCN (a book could be written about this group as well), Greenpeace, and the World Resources Institute (this one I don't know much about - I'm afraid to look) "received grants [from the UN] totaling $808,537,000 as reported in the June 30, 1999 'Operational Report on Global Environment Facility Programs.'...The Unites States contributes substantially to the Global Environment Facility....Environmentalism is a multi-billion dollar business, led by giant not-for-profit corporations [they do not pay taxes!!!] whose offices and executive salaries dwarf those of struggling, for-profit corporations that are often the targets of environmentalism....The Nature Conservancy, whose assets exceed a billion dollars, is known primarily for 'protecting' land by direct acquisition, or the purchase of 'conservation easements' or development rights.' It also serves as a real estate agent for the federal government, reselling many of its acquisitions to federal agencies for tidy profits." Everyone should take the time to read this article NGO's Leading the Parade http://wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25191.

Another place to see the big picture that is planned for this country [and the rest of the world, I might add] is to go to this site and follow all the links: www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org. It will expose you to the Wildlands Project. That will prepare you for the official website of the Wildlands Project www.twp.org. You will see the former website is not lying.

You might wonder why this is happening. Some of us here believe the US is bankrupt and has been for some time, government debt ranging anywhere from $14 trillion to around $40 trillion. A lot of this debt is held by foreign entities some of us call international banksters. All the property in this country has been mortgaged many times over by the federal government, and Americans are merely chattel, "human resources" to be exploited as long as we are productive. That is where the fascist plan known as the Workforce Investment Act or School-to-Work comes in. When we are no longer productive [and from what I've read, I'm convinced that they plan for us to produce until we die], we will be given over to a controlled "health care" system where we will be allowed to die. Once you understand this, it is a whole lot easier to understand everything else that goes on in this country.

I don't know what the solution is and I sincerely wonder if there is time to effect one favorable to the American people, but if there is any hope at all, people HAVE to be educated about what is going on, we must insist that our tax dollars are not extorted from us in order to transfer them to people bent on our destruction, and these so-called "environmental" groups need to start paying taxes on their vast holdings just like the rest of us. The loss of tax revenue on THEIR lands [not that I am in favor of the insidious property tax, but that's another issue] forces up the costs (taxes) on the rest of us, forcing more of us into the "willing seller" category; and this, of course, is the plan.

34 posted on 03/23/2002 6:55:07 AM PST by Ethan_Allen
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