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Nirvana Arrives -- But will McCain & Co. take credit for the consequences?
OpinionJournal ^ | Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:01 a.m. | Editorial

Posted on 03/24/2002 7:43:30 PM PST by B-bone

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Congratulations to John McCain, the folks at Common Cause and 99.9% of the American media. With Wednesday's victory in the Senate, they are all going to get the campaign-finance system they've long demanded. We hope they're now willing to take credit for the consequences. Certainly we will give them full marks if this reform yields a more perfect politics. But if Nirvana doesn't arrive, the least the reformers can do is admit that the electoral system we will soon be living with is their handiwork.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cfr; cfrlist; mccain; nirvana; silenceamerica
I didn't find this posted.

I'm tired of CFR at this point in time, mostly out of frustration that this form of CFR would seem to be overwhelmingly embraced by the public. Feelings over thought. The feelings crowd never stops to something through to the logical conclusions.

The reasons for support for this within the media and self-perpetuating politicians is obvious.

And this doesn't even begin to address the unconstitutionality of this monster.

1 posted on 03/24/2002 7:43:30 PM PST by B-bone
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To: B-bone
Shame on Bush for not vetoing this. What's the use of defending the constitution with armed force overseas, only to let it get flushed down the toilet at home? Shame on our President. Shame on us.
2 posted on 03/24/2002 7:51:01 PM PST by samtheman
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To: B-bone
Mr. McCain has said another reform will be needed after this one.

Why can't McStain get it right the first time? The bill is already an incomprehensible monster.

One is that the radical left biasedmedia will grow in political clout, which is one reason the press corps has been reform's loudest cheerleader. Mr. McConnell quipped Wednesday that editorials over the years in the Washington Post and New York Times amounted to $8 million in unregulated soft money contributions for reformers. This is one form of political speech the bill will not restrict. A second group of winners will be incumbents, who have easier access to both hard money and the media than challengers do.

3 posted on 03/24/2002 7:53:55 PM PST by coloradan
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To: *CFR list;*Silence, America!
index bump
4 posted on 03/24/2002 7:54:36 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: B-bone
True - the masses assume if it is marked "reform" it must be good. Of course it's not, and the pressure needs to continue on the president to veto this monstrosity. If he doesn't, it will be up to the handful of organizations who are already planning it, to perform civil disobedience and run ads within 60 days of the election.

Whether it had been this CFR or any other form of so-called reform, it would have been meaningless because it is written by the very people who are to be guided by it. But the article is right about one thing.....when it all falls apart, it will be VERY important for all who didn't support it to point the finger back at McCain and every lib/dem who passed it. They will need to be reminded of how insipid and uninspiring their little game was. I for one will enjoy saying "I told you so."

5 posted on 03/24/2002 7:56:17 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: samtheman
Shame on us.

I for one will not take the blame for this, I voted for Governor Bush. Apparently, now, President Bush is a different man. Governor Bush said he wouldn't sign this, now President Bush wont stand by his own principles. I've never been a one issue voter, but there has been so many comprimises in the short time he's been President, I just cant take it anymore.

The only issue is principles, he had layed them out and now he's walking all over them. He should have kept his mouth shut, if he was going to cave anyway, he should have just not touched the issue. He layed it out there, I believed him, he broke is promise, he comprimised...again.

Shame on me, if I vote for him again.

6 posted on 03/24/2002 8:02:13 PM PST by tonyinv
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To: B-bone
Don't know if this fits here, but---

In the Liberal mind, the idea of "Constitutionality" fits if you only apply it to authorized entities.

The right to bear arms is hereby restricted to the "organized militia"---the army, the cops, the National Guard, and bodyguards of the elite.

Similarly, the right to a free press is hereby restricted to the card-carrying members of the media---network and newspaper journalists.

All are created equal, but some are more equal than others. Ordinary citizens need not apply.

7 posted on 03/24/2002 8:02:35 PM PST by ZOOKER
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To: anniegetyourgun
True - the masses assume if it is marked "reform" it must be good

This is clearly not true, only "reforms" backed by the Democrats are seen as good. Remember Welfare Reform? That was a mean trick by the Republicans to screw poor people, til of course Clinton stole the issue, then it was good.

8 posted on 03/24/2002 8:07:02 PM PST by tonyinv
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To: anniegetyourgun
... it will be VERY important for all who didn't support it to point the finger back at McCain and every lib/dem who passed it.

I am afraid you have momentarily forgotten who you are talking about. These are the same people who already say we need more CF restrictions. These are the same people who say that education, welfare, etc., etc., only need more money to be successful. Many still say that the USSR failed only because they strayed from pure Communism, give it another chance. All are certified liars.

This is just a reminder that your values are the antithesis of theirs which causes your logic to fail when analyzing them.

9 posted on 03/24/2002 8:09:52 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: B-bone
The President was presented with a rare opportunity and he failed to take advantage of it.

He could have delivered a powerful speech in defense of the Constitution and shamed the CFR supporters at the same time. He could have done it in a way that connected with the American people, as he has done on several other occasions.

A historic opportunity was blown, IMO.

10 posted on 03/24/2002 8:11:05 PM PST by Ken H
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To: tonyinv
That was reform that would affect the people. This is something the masses think will only affect the elected officials. Little do they know....
11 posted on 03/24/2002 8:11:31 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
It's not possible to give more $ to CFR - only to attempt more reforms. We will need to remind them of their inability and incompetence on this one and ask - can they be trusted to reform themselves?
12 posted on 03/24/2002 8:13:11 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
The biggest lie perpetrated was that money corrupts politicians. This lie was perpetrated by corrupt politicians and a media who made those who opposed it, usually honest politicians, seem to be dishonest and vice versa. Money will not corrupt honest men

As old Sam Rayburn, longtime Speaker of the House and a Democrat from Texas once said, "If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their whiskey, bleep their women, and still vote AGAINST them the next day, you shouldn't be in Washington." It seems that the crooks have become too moral to turn against their benefactors. Perhaps that is why they like moral relativism so much.

13 posted on 03/24/2002 8:46:06 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: ZOOKER
All are created equal, but some are more equal than others. Ordinary citizens need not apply.

14 posted on 03/24/2002 11:46:55 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
These are the same people who already say we need more CF restrictions. These are the same people who say that education, welfare, etc., etc., only need more money to be successful. Many still say that the USSR failed only because they strayed from pure Communism, give it another chance. All are certified liars

15 posted on 03/24/2002 11:50:08 PM PST by samtheman
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To: B-bone
We've got to become a recognized voting block. Other groups are voting blocks... we've got to figure out a way to be recognized as a voting block ourselves. No one gets any attention in this country unless they are members of a voting block. But how to achieve voting block status... that's the question. If we ever answer that question, we'll start making a difference. Until then, we might as well all go jump in a lake, for all the good we do.
16 posted on 03/24/2002 11:53:11 PM PST by samtheman
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