Bush Signs McCain-Democrat Campaign Finance Bill; Republicans File Suit

Newsmax.com ^ | March 28, 2002

[El Gato]

LETS HAVE THE LIST PLEASE

Senate vote

11 Senate RINOS voted for it, two Democrats voted against.

House Vote

41 House RINOs voted for it, 12 Democrats voted against it. And the vote was another of those middle of the night abortions, the vote being held at 2:42 AM.

[RFP]

"Not over my dead body will they curtail your free speech!"
-- President George "Dubya" Bush (what he should say re: CFR)

it's still there...DOH!

[RFP]

Vote Constitution Party.

[El Gato]

This is one of those things that absolutely HAS to be killed dead once and for all.

The only way to do that, sad to say, is for the Supremes to kill it AFTER it has been made law.

That doesn't stop Congress from passing it again either, as they did with the gun free school zones business. The SC told them schools were not commerce, let alone interstate commerce, but they just added a little more interstate commerce pixie dust in the "findings" and passed it again. They'll do the same with this. In fact in some sense this is passing something again after the Courts found the previous incarnation, with some of the same provisions, unconsitutional. Not as blatent as with the unarmed victims zone thing, but no different in principal.

[TLBSHOW]

Was that so hard rightwing2?

Thanks El Gato, I didn't think the thread starter had a clue.

[evad]

The Gephardts, Daschunds, Feingovelts, Shays, and McLames who sought....

In fact he just out smarted the rats and it is the rats that will pay dearly.

I think I understand the "practical" side of what's going on here but I think when core values are challenged you have to be a leader and "above the fray". Certainly we cannot depend on the Dasholes for anything good and maybe this is a "smart" move but it stinks to high heaven. We no longer hold the high moral ground when we demonstrate that we can be compromised just like the Toon.

[TLBSHOW]

Well if that is true then you fell into a rat trap, just don't bring the rest of us with you.

[Doc On The Bay]

Agree!

"At First Blush" this looks BAD!

He (& we) is dealing with a plethora of conflicting interests here.

I'll give him a temporary, qualified pass--& wait a while.

He's mostly "Done us proud" so far--& he KNOWS the horrific "Downside" to the bill he signed.

I'm going to give this issue a bit of time to develop; I think there's more here than we know.

I still trust the man--he's "done the right thing so far---"

Doc

[rightwing2]

Bush swore to uphold and protect the Constitution. Grounds for impeachment?

Perhaps, not by itself. However, constitutional scholars have agreed that Presidents may be impeached for nothing more than "bad acts" committed while in office. Such acts are broad enough in scope to include serious lapses in personal behavior which disgrace the office as Clinton did or acts of betryal or treason such as eviscerating our nuclear deterrent for example as Bush is doing and providing aid and comfort to the enemy by providing them with the means to attack and destroy us as both Bush and Clinton have done in regards to their appeasement of the Butchers of Beijing. So in regards to your question as to whether grounds exist to impeach this President, I believe that one views the full scope of the bad policies and actions which Bush has perpetrated while holding the office of President, the answer is clearly yes. Whether this one betrayal of the Constitution rises to an impeachable level would be a much more open question.

The really sad thing is that we have set a very bad precedent by failing to convict a President as treacherous as Bill Clinton in that we have set the bar for Presidential actions while in office lower than ever which allow bad Presidents who act in direct contravention to the constitution and to America's national security interests like Bush to get off scot free.

[RamsNo1]

Does it really matter what you believe as to Bush's motives? He certainly doesn't care about you and your conservative principles if he could sign this bill. The cold, hard reality was that Bush signed this freaking law because he is fearful of the democrats and what they will say about him. If you don't believe me, Rush got a fax today from someone inside Bush's inner circle who said as much. What we have people is a cowardly lion who is afraid to go into the jungle to face the LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS, OH MY!

[rightwing2]

"Not over my dead body will they curtail your free speech!" -- President George "Dubya" Bush (what he should say re: CFR) it's still there...DOH!

Now that is REALLY embarassing! I'm afraid we are chock full of wishful thinkers here on FR who continue to delude themselves even after this latest Bush betrayal of conservatives that Bush will somehow redeem himself from a series of very damaging actions he has taken in regards to this country. I pray that they open their eyes to the unpleasant reality that Bush is anything but a conservative sometime soon before it is too late.

[TLBSHOW]

Try again. Short list of yours I see. Should be fun to see who wants to join you in the rat***trap.

[rightwing2]

Thanks El Gato, I didn't think the thread starter had a clue.

I don't think you have a clue about what your talking about, you eccentric bonehead! I have posted this information on my other threads, but didn't have time to waste educating know nothings like yourself as unlike you I have a life and don't have time to waste pinging people I don't know with stupid posts saying "I'm waiting", "I've got all night" and similarly brain-dead comments.

[RamsNo1]

CFR will be brought up again and again and again no matter how many times it is passed and struck down. If the SCOTUS strikes it down then Daschle and McCain will moan and groan some more. If Bush would have tried to educate the american people as to why he needed to veto the bill then no matter what was brought up in the future, people would at least be educated and make an informed decision. Gee, for a president who touted education reform, he sure doesn't walk the walk when it comes to educating the american people.

[VRWC_minion]

That doesn't stop Congress from passing it again either, as they did with the gun free school zones business. The SC told them schools were not commerce, let alone interstate commerce, but they just added a little more interstate commerce pixie dust in the "findings" and passed it again.

You really think they would repeat this bill ? They would raise the hard money limits even higher in trade for a ban that gets shot down by the SC ? Also, you don't think the liberal Rats don't have some splaining to do with their own base when they wake up to the fact thier own voices are silenced ?

[Slyfox]

Sounds good to me.

[harpo11]

I'm thinking the grand glorious days of Nero have come alive again. How much longer will the citizens, citizens that President Bush asked to not be spectators, but responsible citizens, continue to have the right to vote?

As it is 60 days before an election depending on Dan, Peter, and Tom certainly would make Palm Beach County voters punching ballot chads look easy. I might as well just be blindfolded and punch anywhere on the ballot since according to Bush, the Senate and House I don't deserve the right that our Constitution protects to have the pros and cons of campaign issues and candidates aired in the arena of ideas.

What a marvelous snafu for the incumbents. Welcome back Nero, the greedy politicians are making everything very comfortable for you.

[VRWC_minion]

Bush has completely and finally lost my vote.

How many times since last January has Bush lost your vote ? Just curious.

[bybybill]

Tiny Tom and the rest of the rats thank you for realizing GWB isn`t a "pure" conservative. Your willingness to not vote for either GWB or Rhinos is fantastic. Please keep up the good work and, if you can, try to convince as many of your friends to either stay home or vote for a Keyes Or better yet, Bucannan. Thanks again.

[bybybill]

Tiny Tom and the rest of the rats thank you for realizing GWB isn`t a "pure" conservative. Your willingness to not vote for either GWB or Rhinos is fantastic. Please keep up the good work and, if you can, try to convince as many of your friends to either stay home or vote for a Keyes Or better yet, Bucannan. Thanks again.