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The Passover Massacre: Bible Prophecy Sign?
Omega Letter Intelligence Digest ^ | March 28, 2002 | Omega Letter Intelligence Digest

Posted on 03/28/2002 3:01:05 PM PST by FresnoDA

The Passover Massacre

Prophecy - Signs
3/28/2002

It was aimed against families. There were absolutely no military targets in the Seaside Hotel dining room. Neither were there expected to be. The dining room had been booked for Passover, as it is every year, for families; fathers, mothers, children. They were the targets -- not collateral damage.alt

It was aimed at the God of Israel. The Passover seder is a feast day that literally revolves around a feast. The Passover meal caps the remembrance of God's miraculous delivery of the Hebrews from bondage in Egypt. The ten plagues, the Passover Lamb, the Angel of Death passing over the homes of the Hebrews are all solemnly remembered.

It was aimed at children. As the families gathered, Abdelbaset Odeih walked in and blew himself up. Everyone around him was instantly vaporized. Forty-eight people suffered serious wounds. Said one survivor, "The face of the little girl was so nice, it was as if she was surprised - big, big open eyes - but surely dead."

"Everyone agrees, here a certain line was crossed. And things won't be the same as they were before," Emmanuel Mahshon, an Israeli Foreign Ministry official, said. "It is possible that we will have to change drastically the rules of the game."

Arafat has evidently decided to go for broke and conduct an all out war against Israel. The Arab summit split over Arafat's address via satellite. Lebanon refused to allow him to speak live. Half the Arab League boycotted the meeting. The split is between those Arab states ready for war and those who oppose it.

The Israelis believe Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Jordan’s King Abdullah cancelled their scheduled appearances at the Arab summit at the last minute after learning of the war plans. The two Arab leaders reportedly were warned of possible assassination plots against them if they attended.

Israeli intelligence also believes Iran, Iraq and Syria are backing Arafat and pressuring him to scuttle all attempts at a ceasefire. Arafat has pledges of direct military support from these countries in the event of war.

At the summit, Syrian President Bashar Assad called for the immediate severing of all Arab ties with Israel.

Syria's puppet in Lebanon, Lebanese President Emile Lahoud, said the cause of a wider regional conflict is really US peace efforts. He complained of “foreign pressure” being applied to halt the violent uprising before it achieves its goals of forcing Israel out of territories captured in 1967.

And, if further evidence is required to prove we are living in a time in which events of Biblical proportions grow increasingly routine, the Reverend Jesse Jackson has offered to settle the 4,000 year-old conflict and save General Zinni from embarrassing failure. As soon as he finishes his lawsuit to settle a 200 year-old slavery dispute. But I digress.

The US war against international terror will last for decades, according to General Franks. That sets the stage for decades of continued international tension, shifting alliances and disinformation campaigns from all sides. The last six months are merely the first six months of a New Reality.

Iraq seems intent on self-immolation. If not as a consequence of past terror, then maybe as a consequence of war with Israel. Pressuring Arafat to start a general Middle East war all but guarantees the fulfillment Jeremiah 51:26 "And they shall not take of thee [historical Babylon - modern Iraq] a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but thou shalt be desolate for ever, saith the LORD."

Syria is also playing with fire, literally, according to Scripture. Damascus, historically speaking, is the longest continously-inhabited city in the world. But Isaiah 17:1 says, "The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap." This prophecy remains unfulfilled.

The Passover Massacre 'changed the rules of the game' for Israel, and that means the rules have changed across the board. Syria, Iraq and Lebanon believe they can do serious damage to Israel before the UN steps in and halts the conflict in place. They are gambling that the Arabs will hold the territorial advantage and can reverse the tables on Israel.

The stakes are high; higher than in any previous Arab-Israeli war. Syria and Iraq have massive chemical and biological arsenals. Both have missiles tipped with unconventional warheads containing both biological and chemical agents pointed at Israel.

The Israelis have officially admitted, for the first time, to having a nuclear weapons arsenal. In total, foreign intelligence estimates agree it contains at least four hundred warheads.

The Israelis have developed special weapons, nicknamed mini-nukes and micro-nukes, specifically designed for conflict in the confined areas of the Middle East. It is an iron-clad certainty that Israel will use them if the Arabs attack using unconventional weapons.

It is anticipated that Israel will mount a massive response to the Passover massacre. Whether that response will trigger a full-scale Middle East war remains to be scene.

But it is clear that the Bible has some unfinished business with Damascus and Baghdad/Babylon. It will happen, exactly as the Bible said. Maybe not not. But for the first time, both scenarios are a distinct strategic possibility.

That these are the last days grows more apparent with each passing day. This weekend, Christians celebrate the Resurrection.

During the Easter season, we commemorate the price paid by Jesus Christ on the Cross and His resurrection on the third day.

Jesus went to the Cross to procure a pardon for sin available to any who seek it. Sin is a debt that must be paid to be canceled. Jesus paid that debt at the Cross. John wrote this eyewitness account at the Cross. "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." [John 19:30] "It is finished." John chose the Greek word "tetelestai" [it is finished], the word that was stamped upon a paid contract, meaning 'paid in full'. Jesus paid for our sins in full. He purchased our unconditional Pardon for our sins.

That Pardon, marked 'tetelestai' over your name is waiting for you in Heaven. All you need do is claim it. Simply bow your head, and pray a simple prayer.

Something like, "Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner and that the penalty for my sin is Hell. I believe You died and were buried and rose again to pay for my sin. Please forgive me. Come into my heart and save me and take me to heaven when I die."

Words aren't as important and meaning. If you but ask in faith, you are forgiven, clean, and clothed in His righteousness.

If you haven't received your free gift of pardon, now is the time. The Bible is true. The evidence of that is all around us.

God says, "For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.' Ezekiel 18:32


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The stakes are high; higher than in any previous Arab-Israeli war. Syria and Iraq have massive chemical and biological arsenals. Both have missiles tipped with unconventional warheads containing both biological and chemical agents pointed at Israel.

The Israelis have officially admitted, for the first time, to having a nuclear weapons arsenal. In total, foreign intelligence estimates agree it contains at least four hundred warheads.

The Israelis have developed special weapons, nicknamed mini-nukes and micro-nukes, specifically designed for conflict in the confined areas of the Middle East. It is an iron-clad certainty that Israel will use them if the Arabs attack using unconventional weapons.

It is anticipated that Israel will mount a massive response to the Passover massacre. Whether that response will trigger a full-scale Middle East war remains to be scene.


1 posted on 03/28/2002 3:01:05 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: golitely;spectre;Amore;Travis McGee;BunnySlippers;Doughtyone;Hillary's Lovely Legs;Snow Bunny...
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2 posted on 03/28/2002 3:02:30 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Uh, no, with all due respect.

Preterists don't have to fret about "end times"...'tis a philosophy worth a look-see. One can concentrate on building the Kingdom instead of guessing about the timing of the Rapture.

3 posted on 03/28/2002 3:06:16 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: FresnoDA
I have a small mole on my leg.....is that a Bible Prophecy sign too?
4 posted on 03/28/2002 3:06:59 PM PST by zarf
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To: zarf
I have a small mole on my leg.....is that a Bible Prophecy sign too?

No, but it does imply that you have either knee-monia, or that you have your cranial cavity pitched at an unusual angle up your (p)arse.  Hope that helps....


5 posted on 03/28/2002 3:10:54 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
The Israelis are willing to use nuclear weapons on their own land?
6 posted on 03/28/2002 3:19:26 PM PST by Codie
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To: FresnoDA
And it all makes me very sad because I believe that if you don't receive Christ as your Savior, I will not be seeing you in heaven... I believe that the Jews who were massacred will not be with me in Heaven, they didn't receive Christ yet. I didn't have the opportunity to witness to them about Jesus. That makes me very sad. I am always sad when a non Christian dies. Another soul lost forever.....
7 posted on 03/28/2002 3:19:58 PM PST by buffyt
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To: FresnoDA
Nah, just a loser with a bomb.
8 posted on 03/28/2002 3:22:31 PM PST by dead
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To: All
One thing that IS in the Bible is this: any one who does anything to harm a Jew will be paid back, and much, much more so than what was done to the Jew in the first place. These ignorant Arabs think that they can bomb innocent Jewish civilians and that the Almighty will not do anything about it? Think again....
9 posted on 03/28/2002 3:26:27 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: buffyt
"Another soul lost forever.....

Nonsense. God's only concern as far as a soul being lost forever is whether they reject the Holy Spirit. Whether they reject what a man teaches is no concern to Him.

10 posted on 03/28/2002 3:27:42 PM PST by spunkets
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To: buffyt
Don't you get a last chance at death to do the right thing?
11 posted on 03/28/2002 3:29:04 PM PST by John W
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To: buffyt
You are a stupid bigot, sir!
12 posted on 03/28/2002 3:29:07 PM PST by BullDog108
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To: Malcolm
"One thing that IS in the Bible is this: any one who does anything to harm a Jew will be paid back, and much, much more so than what was done to the Jew in the first place."

Got a cite for that?

13 posted on 03/28/2002 3:30:00 PM PST by spunkets
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To: FresnoDA
"And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation..."
14 posted on 03/28/2002 3:30:40 PM PST by Theophilus
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To: BullDog108
This person is entitled to their beliefs.Believing in Jesus Christ as your savior is not bigoted.
15 posted on 03/28/2002 3:30:43 PM PST by John W
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To: FresnoDA
The Israelis believe Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Jordan’s King Abdullah cancelled their scheduled appearances at the Arab summit at the last minute after learning of the war plans. The two Arab leaders reportedly were warned of possible assassination plots against them if they attended.

Twelve of the 22 Arab League heads were absent from the summit. What does the Bible say about earthquakes and comets as signs of war? There was an earthquake on Monday and comet Ikeya-Zhang is visible in the evening sky tonight.

16 posted on 03/28/2002 3:36:47 PM PST by relee
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To: OKCSubmariner
Might be of interest!
17 posted on 03/28/2002 3:39:02 PM PST by MizSterious
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To: John W
But believing that anyone else that does not share your beliefs goes to hell is ignorant.
18 posted on 03/28/2002 3:50:05 PM PST by BullDog108
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To: relee
...comet Ikeya-Zhang is visible in the evening sky tonight.

What time of night and what part of the sky?

Getting back to major point of this thread, Isreal needs to re-occupy the West Bank and Gaza and destroy the Palestinian infrastructure to survive.

19 posted on 03/28/2002 3:55:28 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: spunkets
Gen 12:03 "And I will bless them that bless you, and curse him that curses you: and in you shall all people of the earth be blessed."

Tell you what. Ask Adolph Hitler whether the Almighty will let someone get away with murdering Jews. He will, but only for a time, then He will deal with whoever it is. My point is this: the Arabs seem like they are winning in Israel for the moment, but that will change. Sooner or later, I do not know, but mark His Word, that time will come....and with a vengeance.

20 posted on 03/28/2002 3:55:59 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: buffyt
Jesus was an observant Jew, and I think that we may safely assume that He is in heaven. All of Israel will be saved, according to the Bible.
21 posted on 03/28/2002 4:03:44 PM PST by austen
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To: BullDog108
But believing that anyone else that does not share your beliefs goes to hell is ignorant.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

22 posted on 03/28/2002 4:20:33 PM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: Malcolm
I asked , because God doesn't have a special victim class labeled "Jews". He judges all men on the basis of their character, not by their group affiliation. He will pay the abortionist the same measure He pays the jihadist.
23 posted on 03/28/2002 4:20:57 PM PST by spunkets
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To: rightofrush
See Sky and Telescope for viewing details.
24 posted on 03/28/2002 4:22:52 PM PST by relee
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To: relee
Thank you! A link worth keeping.
25 posted on 03/28/2002 4:45:52 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: buffyt
I am always sad when a non Christian dies. Another soul lost forever.....

This is a huge issue, beyond the understanding of you or I (thankfully). I would hate to know which of my friends will not be with me in heaven. Fortunately, God is 100% capable of making the right call, and you can bet He will do so. That means you and I don't have to.

I am certain that Jesus Christ spoke truthfully when he said, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Light. No one comes to Father but by me." That sounds simple, but there is a lot to it.

You might check out what C.S. Lewis had to say on the matter. Lewis gives an example in the last book of the "Chronicles of Narnia" of a situation where, at death, unbelievers who nevertheless belong in the Kingdom of God have a chance to see Jesus Christ. Most cannot bear to look, but a few can. They are overcome with grief at their now manifest sin, and ask for forgiveness. They know full well they do not deserve it, but Jesus Christ grants it anyway. Lewis gives other examples in other books as well.

One danger in this line of thinking is that non-Christians somehow have an escape clause. They can always make up their mind later. Not so. The Bible refers to these people as fools. God defines "later", and He always gets it right. In my opinion, willfully delaying the decision, once the right opportunity comes to you, is the biggest mistake you can make.

Bottom Line: God knows His sheep, and He will not lose a single one. I know I am one of 'em, and I have hopes for those I love. Even the ones that seem pretty far from saved.

26 posted on 03/28/2002 4:53:40 PM PST by EternalHope
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To: Malcolm
My point is this: the Arabs seem like they are winning in Israel for the moment, but that will change. Sooner or later, I do not know, but mark His Word, that time will come....and with a vengeance.

God's ways are past finding out.....He has in the past and now in the present used other nations to punish His people terribly when they forgat Him and His commandments but these nations have found out later that their punishment for harming His people, even though God Himself turned their hearts against Israel to treat them horribly, was much much more terrible.

Our God is an awesome God and wonderful!

27 posted on 03/28/2002 4:59:03 PM PST by VOYAGER
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To: FresnoDA
Amen to that...Keep up the GOOD work...And I'll keep looking UP...
28 posted on 03/28/2002 4:59:25 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Malcolm
My point is this: the Arabs seem like they are winning in Israel for the moment, but that will change. Sooner or later, I do not know, but mark His Word, that time will come....and with a vengeance.

God's ways are past finding out.....He has in the past and now in the present used other nations to punish His people terribly when they forgat Him and His commandments.

These nations have found out later that their punishment for harming His people, even though God Himself turned their hearts against Israel to treat them horribly, was much much more terrible.

Our God is an awesome God and is wonderful!

29 posted on 03/28/2002 5:01:24 PM PST by VOYAGER
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To: Iscool
What will Israel do?

Here ya go: Israel tanks enter Ramallah

30 posted on 03/28/2002 5:02:34 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Recovering_Democrat
due respect. Preterists don't have to fret about "end times"...'tis a philosophy worth a look-see. One can concentrate on building the Kingdom instead of guessing about the timing of the Rapture.

With all due respect to you, I am not a Preterist, or a Rapturist, however, I know that all end time senarios in the Bible revolve around Israel.
The Bible is very clear that they will become a cup of trembling for the entire world, and that conflict will be constant and with increasing violence!
As one who believes strongly in the Word, I do not fear the end times either. However, I do see the signs in the world around us leading to the great day spoken of throughout the Word.
Look up, and be happy !

31 posted on 03/28/2002 5:23:11 PM PST by straightbend
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To: FresnoDA
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

http://www.blueletterbible.org/

Good reference site!

32 posted on 03/28/2002 6:08:28 PM PST by tutstar
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To: FresnoDA
This makes me think of this verse in Zechariah :

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

My mom and I were discussing this very topic this AM.

33 posted on 03/28/2002 6:26:30 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: Malcolm
Sooner or later, I do not know, but mark His Word, that time will come....and with a vengeance.

Odds are very slim that the end will come any time soon. Recent advances in scientific numerology tend to point to Biblical estimates ranging from about 800,000 years from now to about 3.7 million years.

There is even a small probabality that God won't call the faithful to His kingdom for several billion years. Many of the recent breakthroughs in scientific numerology center around previously undisclosed properties of the mysterious number 19.

What makes people think that the end days are eminent in our lifetimes, or even 1,000 years from now?

34 posted on 03/28/2002 6:32:17 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining
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To: EternalHope
One danger in this line of thinking is that non-Christians somehow have an escape clause. They can always make up their mind later. Not so. The Bible refers to these people as fools. God defines "later", and He always gets it right. In my opinion, willfully delaying the decision, once the right opportunity comes to you, is the biggest mistake you can make.

They will say unto the Lord: "Did I not prophacy in your name? Did I not drive out demons?"
The Lord will say : "Go away from me, for I never knew you."
If the Lord rejects those who minister but are without faith, why would he take pagans who did nothing in his name but condemn his teachings?

35 posted on 03/28/2002 8:31:22 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: StopGlobalWhining
What makes people think that the end days are eminent in our lifetimes, or even 1,000 years from now?

Because Isreal has become a nation once more. That starts the countdown to the end, This generation shall not pass.
Numerology was a pagan art. There are many who "see" a mathmatical pattern to the Bible, but the Bible was re-written for King James the best the scribes could do it. Therefore, the "numbers" would not match those of the original text.

36 posted on 03/28/2002 8:36:35 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: FresnoDA,golitely,Prodigal Daughter,Marianne,Gal.5:1,Uncle Bill,yota,vannrox,knighthawk
Numbers 24:24:

In the last days, ships from Cyprus will afflict Iraq(Asshur) until she is destroyed.

Two weeks ago in an article posted on FreeRepublic Great Britan announced that she had sought and obtained permission from Cyprus to use Cyprus port facilites to launch British ships for attacks against Iraq in concert with US Naval forces (Seventh Fleet). This would include cruise missiles and fighter bombers launced from aircraft carriers and destroyers.

The first half of Numbers 24 also contains the first known prophecy about Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

Sooner or later this military activity in the ME involving Islamic and PLO forces will put "hooks" into the jaws of Russia to align themselves in an Arab Confederacy to attack Israel which will fail at the intervention of God Himself-Ezekial 38,39.

At some point the world will let the UN come in to trample down Jerusalem and the world will be driven by terror to beg for a false peace which the AntiChrist will set up between the Israelis and Arabs - all for the end purpose of an attempt to exterminate the Jews and Israel. It will fail at the Battle of Armageddon with the defeat of Chinese and "Kings of the East" forces by Jesus Christ Himself (Revelations).

How America will fare in all this is not clear to me but real Christians no matter where they are have the promise of eternal life no matter what happens, with or without a Rapture.

37 posted on 03/28/2002 9:41:53 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: straightbend
Not all Christians believe this "end-times" stuff. Many of us believe that the prophecies of the Bible were fulfilled with the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the victory of the early Church. It's amazing that Christians do not believe Christ when He said that even He had no knowledge of when the end of time would happen. That view doesn't sell as many videos and books.

I fully support Israel but not because of some Biblical preference for the Jewish people. Israel is no more special today than any other nation nor any less special than any other nation. God sees only souls today. Israel does share an ethical and political heritage with us just like Great Britain. They are the 51st and 52nd states in my mind and we properly will defend both countries as they have defended our interests.

Rapturists and milienialists have been pushing this same stuff decade after decade. It's Hitler! It's the Russians! It's the Muslims! Tomorrow it will be someone else. What is scary is that we could be led into a world war by people think they are fulfilling God's word while really supporting the Devil's work of destruction by believing a man-made doctrine.

Everyone is free to believe as they desire. We have Christians looking for the end times, Jews looking for the immenant arrival of the Messiah, and Muslims thinking Mohammed or the 12th Imam is about to return. We could all end up destroying one another while God weeps at our stupidity.

38 posted on 03/28/2002 10:12:23 PM PST by JDGreen123
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To: FresnoDA
Thanks for the heads up!
39 posted on 03/28/2002 10:33:25 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Codie
Yes, I understand it is called the Masada complex. If they go down, they take all of the invaders with them.
40 posted on 03/28/2002 10:35:06 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA

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42 posted on 03/28/2002 10:38:44 PM PST by ppaul
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To: StopGlobalWhining
Odds are very slim that the end will come any time soon. Recent advances in scientific numerology tend to point to Biblical estimates ranging from about 800,000 years from now to about 3.7 million years.

Oh yeah right. I'm supposed to believe some scientist over what I can see with my own natural and spiritual eyes? You take your odds.

43 posted on 03/28/2002 11:52:45 PM PST by jwh_Denver
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To: Malcolm; FresnoDA; all
"One thing that IS in the Bible is this: any one who does anything to harm a Jew will be paid back.."

You're entitled to your beliefs, but here's the way I would word it: "Anyone who harms God's people (His Church) will regret it.". (The New Testament people of God [the regenerate] include both Jews and Gentiles).

Jerry Falwell sent out this message on March 28, 2002: “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: May they prosper who love you” (Psalm 121:6).

Not that we shouldn't pray for Isreal, we should, but Falwell has *a specific reason* for why he wants people to pray for Isreal *specifically*. He subscribes to one of the flavors of a newly concocted (1830) biblical interpretation by John Nelson Darby (The Plymouth Brethren sect) known as "dispensationalism".

In other words, he doesn't believe (with the historic Christian church) that what Jerusalem was for the Isrealites (Old testament), --- THE CHURCH is to the believer (New Testament).

This was posted last year by another FReeper, and in case you missed it, and are interested, here it is again:

"While the pre-tribulational, pre-millennial dispensationalist scheme has certaily caught in American Christianity, vis. Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye's popularizing (Late Great Planet Earth; Left Behind serial offerings), and within the 20th century promoted on a more scholarly basis by Lewis Chafer and Dallas Seminary and others, who in turn took it from C.I. Scofield and his Scofield Study Bible, it is a novel view of eschatology. A novel view that is having less and less support among even some dispensationalists...

It is not based upon historic Reformational theology in any sense, and is completely at odds with covenantal Reformed theology. Point of fact, it was *never* taught, believed, or even hinted at, by anyone in the historic Christian faith.

John Nelson Darby of the Plymouth Brethren (circa A.D. 1830s) literally invented it, though others in the Plymouth Brethren sect certainly contributed to its formulation (e.g., A.N. Groves; B.W. Newton; W.H. Dorman; E. Cronin; and J.G. Bullett). Some dispensationalists chafe at this, but the fact is dispensationalism is a direct product of the Plymouth Brethren movement in England in the early 19th century. It isn't found in the New Testament; it isn't found in the Church fathers; it isn't found in the universal creeds of the historic Church; it isn't found in Augustine; it isn't found in any of the great Reformation creeds and statements of faith; it isn't found in Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox, Spurgeon, Dabney, Machen, well, I hope the reader gets the point.

I am not saying it was a minority view, or a hated view, or even considered a heretical view--it simply didn't exist until J.N Darby concocted it in the 1830s.

It didn't exist in any form in the United States until circa 1864; Darby graced the United States with his presence.

Darby so impressed Dr. James Brooks of the 16th and Walnut Avenue Presbyterian Church in St. Louis that Dr. Brooks is considered the "father of American dispensationalism."

One of Dr. Brooks' students was named C.I. Scofield. So, essentially, the historical beginnings may be rightly traced, literally, from JN Darby, to James Brooks, to C.I. Scofield, to Lewis Chafer and subsequently being churned out at Dallas Seminary, founded by Dr. Chafer.

What made it "take off," so to speak? During this circa of history, the American denominations were being heavily corrupted by liberalism, in the wake of Chuck Darwin's philosophical piece, Origins of Species (Darwin wasn't a scientist, but a failed divinity student--his Origins is one of the books that everyone talks about but never reads...it is not a work of science, but is simply the [largely borrowed...] musings of Darwin), and the cultural impact it had.

By 1923, liberalism and historic Christian teaching came to a real confrontation at Princeton Seminary (at one time one of the great defenders of the historic Christian faith). The General Assembly in 1923 resulted in J. Gresham Machen and other scholars from Princeton breaking from the school and forming Westminster Theological Seminary, September 25, 1929. A truly great educational institution.

The Reformed scholars of the school defended historic Christian teaching against the anti-christian liberalism that was taking over much of the American church. The works they published defended the fundamentals of the faith, such as the inspiration of Scripture, the Virgin birth of Christ, the bodily Resurrection, the divinity of Christ and the substitutionary atonement of Christ. Those that held to historic Christian teaching were then labeled "fundamentalists"...

******(it should be carefully noted that these "fundamentalists" should not be equated with or confused with the current dispensationalist fundamentalists, as they are strikingly different, whereas the so-called present-day fundamentalist is typified as being anti-intellectual, anti-historic, anti-creedal, which the great men that fought the liberals in the early 20th century were certainly not any of the above).******

The liberalism of the day made such headway into the mainline denominations that they essentially ceased being Christian when an honest analysis is made of their doctrinal and creedal content; in our day, none of the mainline denominations may be rightly called Christian from a historic, New Testament perspective.

In this horrific state of affairs, came the Scofield Study Bible and the energetic preaching of C.I. Scofield. In response to the major denominations in the U.S. being corrupted by liberalism, the independent church movement began, and with noble purposes to be sure.

Essentially all of the leaders of the early independent church movement were dispensationalists, and the defacto Bible that was used was the Scofield Study Bible.

Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer founded Dallas Seminary in 1924, and while the mainline demonominations were jettisoning the Christian faith, this dispensationalist school was upholding historic doctrines such as the inspiration of Scripture, the deity of Christ, His miracles, the bodily Resurrection, et. al.

The person in the pew didn't want to hear that the Bible was "wrong," and that Jesus--if He ever existed--was just a nice man, deluded, but just a nice man, that miracles are "impossible," and that they were not only not in the image of God, they were simply a quirk, a biological oddity, a product of time and chance--in short, animals, of no more worth or real significance than a dog, or cow, or rat, or slug. In that worldview, Mother Teresa and Adolf Hitler are ultimately the same, as ethics and morals are nothing but the subjective illusion of evolved animals, with the same reward--if anything, Hitler acted more "rationally consistent" with the modern worldview, as he fully believed in evolution and the survival of the fittest. But that is another story, with the present state of American government and public education as monuments to the nihilistic, relativistic worldview they are based upon (that includes both parties, folks--the Republican party is different in degree, not kind, from the Democratic party).

Dallas Seminary filled the void that was left by the abandoning of the Christian faith by the mainline denominations (and as a side note, the cults took advantage of this as their rise took place during the same time period)--Dallas Seminary produced scores of graduates, and these men planted churches all over the United States, Bible-believing churches, and those sickened by the liberalism of the mainline churches flocked to the new dispensational fundamental churches. These churches did preach the Gospel and defend the faith, to their credit.

And here we are today...most conservative churches today are dispensationalist in orientation, and most church goers think it is *the* historic, Bible-believing view of eschatology and hermeneutics, _____which it simply is not_____.

Anyway, that is the historic background to dispensationalism and the Hal Lindsey brand "mark of the best" and the "Left Behind" series. "The Beast" of Revelation was most likely Caesar Nero. "Apocalypse Then" essentially.

Is there going to be another physical Temple rebuilt in Jerusalem? The New Testament clearly states that believers in Christ are the Temple of God; the final view of the physical (carnal) Temple of the Old Covenant nation of the Jews was foretold by Christ to be destroyed; it was, circa A.D. 70.

The kingdom was to be taken from the Jews and given to others; it was, and now the covenant people of God are those that have their faith in Jesus Christ, whether ethnically Jewish or Gentile. National Israel rejected her covenant with God, rejected her Messiah, and ultimately rejected God Himself. There is no special significance to the modern secular state of "Israel," which is [a] utterly contemptous of Christ; [b] is overwhelming atheistic in belief; [c] ethnically, they are German, Polish, English, Romanian, Russian, Turkish, Kazaharian, etc....but biological, lineal descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Biologically doubtful, theological irrelevant as regards New Testament belief.

"The mark of the beast is a counterfeit for the seal of God's name on the saints (7:2-8; 14:1; Ezek, 9). The beast owns those who are marked, and they are his slaves. Speculations about a visible mark miss the main point of the spiritual distinction between the two groups" (New Geneva Study Bible study notes for Rev. 13:16 Thomas Nelson, 1995), p. 2023.

Recommended Sites: HERE and HERE

Also Recommended: Understanding Dispensationalism, by Vern S. Poythress (Zondervan Publishing House).

Origional post HERE: #82 posted on 11/17/01 5:15 PM Pacific by EthanNorth

44 posted on 03/29/2002 8:12:19 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: StopGlobalWhining
I can't really respond to that in a convincing way. At some point, proof is impossible and then faith takes over, and you have to depend on scripture. I don't study the Bible to debate it with non-believers on websites; I study it for my own personal needs and instruction. Read Matthew Chapter 24. I'm sure that that is not the only place in the Bible that speaks to this, but that is one I found with a search of the word "generation." If you are determined not to accept something, you will not accept it even though proof is offered, and since the Almighty calls us to "faith," it falls on you to research it with an open mind, not for others to force feed the truth. I'm not into flakyness either, but I have read the Bible, and seen enough teaching on this subject, that I know that this generation will not pass away before Jesus returns. I don't totally understand the Rapture, but is it necessary whether I do or not, as long as it is going to happen, sooner or later? Whether it happens before the tribulation or after, does that fact have to be known? If you remember one thing about this subject, remember this. If the government ever notifies you that you have to have a mark, and tatoo, a computer chip, or anything else put into your right hand or forehead, you will know that it "end is near." And BTW, when they tell you that you have to take that in order to work, sell, buy, etc, I would advise that you not take it. That would be an eternal mistake. The acceptance or rejection of the above is up to you. I don't get a "finders fee" for those who accept what I say, so it's totally your choice. But if you're waiting for scientific, factual proof of anything concerning Christianity, it doesn't work that way. You read it, then either you accept it or you don't. Christianity is a lot of things, but it isn't a "science."
45 posted on 03/29/2002 9:46:21 AM PST by Malcolm
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To: Matchett-PI
Not as lengthy as yours, but to refute your point (?) that Israel/Jews have been "brushed aside," and that now the Gentile Church has taken their place:

Romans 11: 25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is[6] my covenant with them when I take away their sins."[7] 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[8] receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. 32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

46 posted on 03/29/2002 11:13:35 AM PST by Malcolm
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To: Malcolm
"... for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable."

Of course they are. The "call" was rejected:

"Then Paul and Barnabas answered them (the Jews) boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles." [NIV Acts 13:46]

47 posted on 03/29/2002 1:41:51 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
We are grafted in, the Jews are the natural branch. Line upon line, precept upon precept; you have to take in all the Bible says on the subject, not just isolated verses that can be twisted any way a person wants. The Church is Gentiles and Jews who accept Jesus as Savior, but the physical Jew remains just that. God has not forsaken them, not in the way you suggest. Do I believe that they also must accept JC as Savior; of course! Jesus came for them in the first place. But since Abraham is a father of many nations, and salvation is of the Jews, they still retain their place, even though, as a people, they have rejected the Gospel. If you thoroughly read my previous post, it says that all of them will be saved.
48 posted on 03/29/2002 2:07:36 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: Malcolm
The Israel of God is the Christian Church.

Judaism is the first Christian heresy.

There is an interesting article refuting the teachings of dispensationalists here: The Great Premillennial HOAX

49 posted on 03/29/2002 2:16:46 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Alamo-Girl; Thinkin' Gal
Wars, rumors of wars, comets,
Passover, Resurrection Sunday, then April Foolish virgin Day?

Watch and pray...
Luke 21:35-36, 22:1

50 posted on 03/29/2002 3:00:26 PM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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