Why so called safe sex and abortion are issues really about money not morals.

April 10, 2002 | Sonny M.

[Dakmar]

"It's all about control. If you teach the people *not* to control themselves, you will more easily gain control of them. If they learn to control themselves, you won't be able to control them."

You've hit the nail on the head with that statement, Terriergal. Those without a compass are destined to become lost. Of course, it doesn't help that leftwingers in government, media, and acedemia spend so much time demonizing compasses.

[Rubber Ducky]

"Well kids are just going to eat sweets anyway, so we're going to . . .

Or, "Well, kids are going to smoke anyway, so we should introduce them to low tar, low nicotine cigarettes which take longer to give them cancer."

[Steve0113]

chop shops

Hadn't heard that one before. I'm going to use it.

[Lorianne]

Playing russian roulette with a loaded gun gives you a 83% chance of survival, we don't tell our kids its okay to shoot each other, should we tell them its okay to sleep with each other? Bad analogy. There aren't that many teenagers who are hankering to put a gun to their head relative to those hankering to have sex. I'd put the odds at 1 to 10 million. Also, it's self-serving to say contraception is sort of "optional" when you're not the one going to pay the price or be around when the consequences come along. I'd rather kids waited too. We should encourage that. Second choice, I'd rather fewer OOW children, fewer abortions and fewer young females having to shoulder the burdens alone (mostly the case) and being shit on by society to boot. In my view ANYTHING which promotes males being pro-active in preventing conception and being responsible is a good thing. That includes condoms and learning how to use them.

[Sonny M]

Condoms are about as safe as playing russian roulette. If we told kids we'd give them bullet proof vests, you know and I know the number would go up. My gripe is that these companies lie, and then exploit these kids for pure profit. Safe sex is a corporate market slogan that was not designed by politicians but by companies. I could never tell somone that your risk of engaging in harmfull behavior goes down down when you do this, when, knowing the facts, it is still harmfull behavior. If kids screw up their lives, then at least give them every single piece of usefull information that their is, and let them know all of the risks, and put it all in perspective. Lets stop lying to them for the sake of corporate welfare, the one piece where liberals assume its okay.

[Lorianne]

Condoms are a zillion times better at preventing pregnancy and STDs than using nothing. When condoms are compared to abstinence the odds change. Apples and oranges. That's why we need both. In addition to teaching abstinence, teaching young men about condoms sends a message loud and clear that to date not been sent their way: You cannot have sex with ZERO consequences. I think they need that message.

[mechadogzilla]

I like the phrase "Big Abortion" which I've noticed people using here lately. We need additional catchy phrases that will stick in people's minds.

A woman's right to kill.
Contraceptional-Abortional Complex.

"A woman's right to kill" is a good one. "Contraceptional-Abortional Complex" isn't. Feminists are always claiming that the pro life movement's real goal is to ban all contraceptives. Your slogan plays right into their hands.

[syriacus]

You're right. "Contraceptional-Abortional Complex" is too confusing.

I was thinking of contraception in the context of the original post on this page, which says,

Give me the logic that says a comporation should be allowed to use government employees to teach possible consumers how to use their product, advertise their product and in essence endorse the product.

Other Americans will not have this context in mind.