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Is Venus Our Future? (Massive Runaway Global Barf Alert)
ABC News.com ^ | April 22, 2002 | Amanda Onion

Posted on 04/22/2002 5:21:46 AM PDT by Jeff F

Although Earth and Venus are very similar in size, mass and density, Venus is enshrouded in a thick layer of carbon dioxide and sulfuric acid that traps heat in and leads to extreme warming. This has made the planet hotter — much hotter.

Average temperatures on the cloud-choked planet average about 800 degrees Fahrenheit. The inferno-like conditions on Venus have led some to call it "Earth's evil twin." Researchers believe there is much we might learn about our own planet through Earth's darker, hotter twin and this week scientists from the European Union and NASA are meeting to discuss possible missions to Venus in 2005.

"Venus and Earth have taken different paths," said Larry Esposito, a planetary astronomer at the University of Colorado at Boulder. "But human activity is leading Earth in the same direction [as Venus]. If we can understand Venus history better, we can fine tune our models for Earth."

Hot Model Needed

Scientists have become increasingly concerned that global warming may be occurring on Earth due to man-made emissions including carbon dioxide, methane and other gasses into the atmosphere. As on Venus, this layer of gasses allows radiation to shine through to Earth, but then blocks its reflection back to space. The so-called Greenhouse Effect insulates the planet and leads to warming.

So far efforts to predict global warming for Earth have been inconsistent and uncertain. Last year, a United Nations group predicted world temperatures could rise by as much as 10.5 degrees or as little as 3 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century. A British study released last week predicted a 12.4-degree rise by 2100. A Swiss study, meanwhile, estimated a 7.7-degree rise in the same time frame.

The different predictions could find more agreement, some suggest, with a little more detail from Venus. By using Venus as a model of extreme warming and adding detail about the planet into climate models, predictions about Earth's warming could become more accurate.

"We need to visit Venus and get more information on the atmospheric and surface composition," said Esposito. "With this fine tuning, we could predict possible feedbacks and extremes which are not evident from what we now know from Earth's present climate."

The Veiled Planet

What scientists do know is the second planet from the sun rotates very slowly — one Venus days equals about 243 Earth days. Its atmosphere, which contains the only known traces of water at the planet, is made up of mostly carbon dioxide and whips around the planet about 30 miles above its surface at speeds of up to 220 miles an hour.

Explorations of Venus in the 1970s and '80s were the first to reveal that Earth's twin wasn't quite as similar to our planet as it had seemed to be. The early orbiters detected the shockingly hot temperatures and pervasive, active volcanoes at the planet's surface. A more recent mission to the planet, NASA's Magellan mission, then revealed the whole face of Venus had recently undergone a dramatic geological change.

The Magellan mission ended in 1994 when the probe was directed to crash into the planet, and ultimately provided only hints about the veiled planet.

"The more we found out the less we understood," said Donald Turcotte, a geophysicist at Cornell University in New York.

Among Venus' remaining mysteries is why it's not hotter. Although Venus is slightly closer to the sun than Earth, orbits more slowly and has a thicker layer of clouds trapping heat in, the planet's atmosphere also reflects about 75 percent of the sun's radiation. (Earth's atmosphere reflects about 30 percent.) According to current climate models, these factors should make Venus even hotter than it is.

"The climate on its surface is completely out of line if you extrapolated the conditions as if they were Earth," said Fred Taylor, a planetary physicist at the University of Oxford, England. "There's something very wrong with our modeling."

The Venus Express

Investigators from the United States and the European Union are gathering in Nice, France to discuss the European Union's hopes to launch an orbiter in a "Venus Express" mission in 2005. Esposito is also urging NASA to compliment the mission by landing a robotic craft at the same time.

Landing a craft on Venus could be especially challenging since its surface is hot enough to melt lead. Any lander craft would need to be constructed of highly heat-resistant material.

"Venus is so hot that if we had the same run away Greenhouse Effect on Earth it would snuff out all life," said Andrew Ingersoll, a planetary scientists at California Institute of Technology. "This isn't going to happen on Earth any time soon, but the planet gives us the big picture on long term climate change."


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KEYWORDS: co2; enviralists; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; venus
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What a whopping load of Venusian B.S. As is typical with such advocacy journalism, the piece starts with hysterical charges that are later not supported by the few details passed along towards the end of the article. This allows the author to spew her hyped up propoganda, while still being able to claim that she cited the facts. Still, nowhere does she include the most important and obvious fact -- that the atmosphere of Venus is 90 times more dense than is it's "twin" planet Earth. To imply that a very minor increase in the percentage of CO2 in Earth's radically thinner atmosphere might result in a 800 degree future is dishonest beyond words.
1 posted on 04/22/2002 5:21:46 AM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Jeff F
Keep in mind that Venus is much closer to the Sun than Earth and gets a higher level of insolation. (not to be confused with insulation, insolation is the measurement of incoming solar radiation from, of course, the Sun.
2 posted on 04/22/2002 5:26:44 AM PDT by capt. norm
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To: capt. norm
Venus is hotter because its closer to the sun? No way. Future NASA research and the sending of robots like the Mars Rover (or whatever it was called) will revel that thousands of years ago there was a race similar to humans on the planet and their love for SUVs is what caused the planet to heat up to such high temps.

Who knows what evil fossil fuel burning contraptions the people of Mercury were using to cause their planet to turn into a blast furnace.

3 posted on 04/22/2002 5:32:49 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Jeff F
"The climate on its surface is completely out of line if you extrapolated the conditions as if they were Earth," said Fred Taylor, a planetary physicist at the University of Oxford, England. "There's something very wrong with our modeling."

They said it themselves! Hehehehh!! Idjiots don't account for the closer proximity to the sun?!?

Mr.M

4 posted on 04/22/2002 5:33:33 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette
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To: Jeff F
Although Venus is slightly closer to the sun than Earth . . . .

The average distance from the Sun to Venus is 67.2 million miles (108.2 million kilometers); the average from the Sun to the earth is 92.96 million miles (149.6 million kilometers). I would say that the difference is more than "slight."

5 posted on 04/22/2002 5:40:17 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: Jeff F
Woe is me! The sky is falling.
6 posted on 04/22/2002 5:40:49 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: capt. norm; Jeff F
Distance from the sun:
Venus 108 million km.
Earth 150 million km.

Gee, could that have ANYTHING to do with it? Naaahhh, I’m sure the author would have mentioned it… right?

So, did ABC News get this article from the ELF newsletter or something? Well, this is ABC we’re talking about.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

7 posted on 04/22/2002 5:43:03 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: Phantom Lord
It is my understanding that Venutians use lor, a substance far more efficient than our fossil fuels, to run their SUV's. It's been some time since I've heard from Carson Napier, so I could be mistaken on the name. :)
8 posted on 04/22/2002 5:46:07 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Jeff F
Let's see, lots of active volcanos, closer to the sun, slow rotation, closer to the sun, thick layer of clouds, closer to the sun... nope, I can't figure out why the planet is 800 degrees.
9 posted on 04/22/2002 5:47:57 AM PDT by irishtenor
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To: Quilla
I had forgotten all about the big "Lor" bash at the end of the "harvest" season.

Now that's a party!

11 posted on 04/22/2002 5:54:41 AM PDT by capt. norm
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To: capt. norm
Watch out for those klangan, though. They're the ultimate party crashers...
12 posted on 04/22/2002 5:56:46 AM PDT by Mr. Thorne
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To: capt. norm
Let us not forget that because of the vast amounts of water on Earth, most of the Carbon Dioxide has be trapped and "stored" in geological formations .... limestone and marble. (Every so often, some of the limestone/marble - which may "fold under" and be much deepr in the earth. It becomes extremely hot and the CO2 "outgasses". Then, the CO2 is occassionally released (vented) during volcanic type events.

So if ther eis a proposal to strip mine the limestone and marble, and "cook it" to release the CO2, then (and only then) I might start worrying about CO2 buildup sufficient to cause problems.

As is, the Globaloney Alarmists either fail to mention (or are too stupid to know) that water vapor is a far more significant "greenhouse gas" than CO2 is. So as long as we have oceans ... we will have many benefits that make this planet habitable (unlike Mars or Venus).

Mike

13 posted on 04/22/2002 6:48:36 AM PDT by Vineyard
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To: Owl_Eagle
Yeah, what's 42 million miles, considering the fact that moving only a thousand or so miles on this planet (maybe like from Detroit to Miami) can have a very noticeable effect on the observed climate.

Disclaimer City:
The actual increase in proximity to the Sun is the actual curvature of Earth and not the distance between the two surface points. I also, to be fair, did not include the angle of insolation (which affects the overal spread of a light column where a greater angle spreads the same amount of light over a wider area.)

14 posted on 04/22/2002 7:09:25 AM PDT by capt. norm
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To: Jeff F
"There's something very wrong with our modeling."

Hahahaha. Recognition of one's error is the first step towards redemption. There's hope!

15 posted on 04/22/2002 7:18:43 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Jeff F
Do you suppose this commentator was actually named Amanda Onion on her birth certificate, or was she renamed when she became a Gaian fanatic?
16 posted on 04/22/2002 7:44:22 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: Jeff F
Although Venus is slightly closer to the sun than Earth, orbits more slowly and has a thicker layer of clouds trapping heat in, the planet's atmosphere also reflects about 75 percent of the sun's radiation. (Earth's atmosphere reflects about 30 percent.) According to current climate models, these factors should make Venus even hotter than it is.

Where to begin?

1. Venus orbits at 0.723 AU (i.e. 72.3% of Earth's distance from the Sun). This is not "slightly" closer -- it's significant enough to give Venus almost double the Earth's solar input per given area.

2. In accordance with Kepler's Third Law, Venus orbits more quickly, not more slowly than Earth. In any case, orbital speed has no relevance to planetary temperature.

3. The fact that Venus has a higher albedo (percentage of incoming radiation reflected into space) should, of course, make it cooler, not hotter.

Sounds like Ms Onion should try "science" writing for her namesake publication.

17 posted on 04/22/2002 7:48:06 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Logophile
The average distance from the Sun to Venus is 67.2 million miles (108.2 million kilometers); the average from the Sun to the earth is 92.96 million miles (149.6 million kilometers). I would say that the difference is more than "slight."

If I remember correctly, the energy recieved by each planet should be in the ratio of the inverse squares of their distances from the sun. That would make the amount of solar energy received by each unit surface area on Venus about twice that received by the same surface area on Earth.

18 posted on 04/22/2002 7:58:34 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: Jeff F
Venus is hot because it's a relatively new planet. Sunlight doesn't even reach the surface there and yet it's the surface which is 900 degrees F.
19 posted on 04/22/2002 8:02:41 AM PDT by medved
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To: *Enviralists;*Global Warming Hoax
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
20 posted on 04/22/2002 9:42:58 AM PDT by Free the USA
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