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Habitat conservation planning
Monterey County Farm Bureau ^ | March 12, 2002 | Bob Perkins

Posted on 04/26/2002 8:14:18 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer

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To: madfly
Nope, I wish I did. Getting introductions into the farm community is pretty tough. Leo said that he would arrange for some of that through the local Granges, but so far he's been "too busy" to make it happen.
21 posted on 04/27/2002 11:13:12 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: farmfriend; SierraWasp
Glad I'm not the only one.

LOL! You guys are making it sound unreadable. It really isn't, it's just that it is emotionally reactivating. Remember what I said in the Preface? (bold added)

As environmental organizations have grown, their common agenda has diverged from its purpose. Their adherents’ principle goal has devolved to pursuit of funding to support a political and legal agenda. They have ignored scientific evidence and overridden legitimate discourse over technical differences in the name of preserving entrenched bureaucracies and political power groups feeding off taxes, grants, and lawsuits. It has even led to an odd form of corporate welfare: membership in an oligopoly in return for selling out or buying up smaller competitors. The consequences have compounded. Ruined lives have been rendered into political cannon fodder. In the con-duct of battle, the environment has been subordinated to the status of a political hostage. Much like a child in a custody case, the object of the dispute is the one that suffers. The worst of it is, it does not have to be this way.

When one begins a process like this, it starts as a polemic, for much of what starts you writing is a sense of what's wrong. This book takes to task environ-mental activists, all levels of government, universities, developers, irresponsible loggers, lawyers, rural/suburban residents, bankers, the urban public, politicians, insurance companies, and more! Each of us is a user of the environment and anyone who would buy this book and read it shares such a love of nature and an investment in how we got here. Maybe we have to see the egg on our faces before we can work with those with whom we have struggled for so long. At least we all have something in common!

Perhaps for some it is enough to simply state an injustice, but love of the land won't let you get away with just that and will lead you to wonder what might be done instead. The polemic took nine months. Taking the answers from the abstract, to the concrete, and then to the elegant took far longer. I have done my best to make them simple. I ask your forgiveness for anything less, but this book had to get out. It is time.

One last thing, just to make it clear. This book was written without financial support from any person, corporate or individual. It was paid for with savings and personal debt. I was provided data from numerous sources from all sides of the arguments. There is no motive other than the reward of having helped people do a better job for nature and to find a way out of the injustices they rightly perceive. It is possible to prosper in harmony with the laws of nature once we begin to act in concert with all of them. Best that we start to learn.

No matter how intelligent people are, how much experience they have, or how much they care, we all have major degrees of ignorance when it comes to understanding our interactions with the environment. I have done my best, within my limitations, to make it honest.

And so it is, an emotionally draining experience. SW, you may not like the answer I'm going to cook up for you, but you will see the uncomfortable truth in it.
22 posted on 04/27/2002 11:22:13 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Leo said that he would arrange for some of that through the local Granges

Speak up man, help is on the way. Have you talked to B4Ranch? He knows all the Ranchers up there.

23 posted on 04/27/2002 11:25:55 AM PDT by farmfriend
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To: Carry_Okie
Since this article came from a Farm Bureau site, perhaps marsh2 could put you intouch with the author.
24 posted on 04/27/2002 11:27:49 AM PDT by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend; B4Ranch
Speak up man, help is on the way.

Thanks, I'm lousy at asking for help.

Have you talked to B4Ranch? He knows all the Ranchers up there.

Oh, yes. I will catch him when I make a Sierra trip this summer after the snowmelt, say early July. Gotta make it a camping trip for the kids too! Maybe Daddy gets some target practice as well?

25 posted on 04/27/2002 11:32:13 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: madfly
...don't forget the spotted owls that weren't

..."well, gooooool-LEEEEE... I coulda SWORE this here was PRIME spotted owl habitat..."

"Suhprize Suhprize!"

26 posted on 04/27/2002 12:02:13 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Dog Gone
I did finish the book. Yesterday, to be exact. C_O will think I read it too fast, so don't let on. It's well worth several readings. One concept in the book to fight the mess is to use the same Acts the foundation-fed activists use and tell the government that they aren't doing their job, that you can do it better. Accumulate data on your property. By now there should be enough history with government regulation to prove that it doesn't work (the regulations) that one could make a case. Now I'm starting on Undue Influence by Ron Arnold.....
27 posted on 04/27/2002 12:15:33 PM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed
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To: betheejaymes; madfly
Welcome to FreeRepublic!

...Or will some corrupt politician and some big shot construction developer ruin and destroy it? ...

There is a correct way to handle this situation in a free and lawful society. It isn't takeover by the government from the owner. It isn't to make regulations to tell the owner what to do with his land. It is to gather likeminded individuals and buy the land yourselves. Become an owner of private property. Then you may do with the land as you please.

28 posted on 04/27/2002 1:08:45 PM PDT by jadimov
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bttt
29 posted on 04/27/2002 1:40:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: madfly
Thanks for the flag on this bullsnit! What a crock...
30 posted on 04/27/2002 6:03:00 PM PDT by JFoxbear
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To: madfly
Stop the attacks by the wacko, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

31 posted on 04/27/2002 6:05:42 PM PDT by blackie
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To: betheejaymes; 1Old Pro; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; a_federalist; abner; aculeus; alaskanfan...
" We are loosing an acre of Sonoran desert a minute to development."

It's stupid lies and slogans like this that prove what enviralism really is: MARXISM

You're not loosing anything, some worthless dust-bin desert is being salvaged and put to the use that the Lord intended: homes for people.

32 posted on 04/27/2002 8:32:39 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
Bump
33 posted on 04/27/2002 8:37:38 PM PDT by mafree
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To: editor-surveyor
I had the impression that HCPs were a Clinton-era nod to property owners who were feeling and speaking out about the bite of regulation of property. The plot thickens.
34 posted on 04/27/2002 8:40:07 PM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed
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To: betheejaymes
"So, why did they run out of power last year."

This is off subject, and I do not wish to hijack this thread, but...

The untold truth is that we didn't run out of power last year!

It was all hype in an abortive attempt by our socialist governor Gray-out Doofus to have a government take-over of the power industry. - Check the records, and you will find that there was not one single day where power demand exceeded supply; but in order to have black-outs, 'rolling' blackouts were instituted when reserves reached 3%. - That's the facts, Mam.

35 posted on 04/27/2002 8:48:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: Carry_Okie
"you will see the uncomfortable truth in it."

I can take it... I think. Bring it on!!!

36 posted on 04/27/2002 8:50:48 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: jadimov; betheejaymes
"to gather likeminded individuals and buy the land yourselves. Become an owner of private property. Then you may do with the land as you please."

Yes, this is the ONLY solution, but you will never see it touted in the media because it doesn't empower government (read: Tyranny)

37 posted on 04/27/2002 8:54:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: Carry_Okie;Dog Gone;forester;Marsh2;farmfriend;Phil V.
Well... when am I gonna git ta see that answer yer cookin up? Will I perceive it as "The Truth" to the same degree that you will? Will you have to "pursuade" me that it's "The Truth?" Or, will "The Truth" be "self-evident?"

Will it help Dog Gone and me to come to believe that Capitalism should not be a government program as it always has been? That's my question for you!

Hi forester! Did you see they passed the Federal land use planning over-riding Local government monstrosity in SECRET in the Senate, just like they did the "Son of CARA." Now that what I call an abomiNation!!! Marsh2 isn't gonna have any authority left by the time she takes the oath, is she farmfriend?!?

Phil V... when ya gonna post the Friday story about the rip-off rafters plottin to by a PG&E dam, after fightin dams all their imature adult lives? http://www.mtdemocrat.com/display/inn_news/1N_01.txt

38 posted on 04/27/2002 9:28:50 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: editor-surveyor
Bump.
39 posted on 04/27/2002 9:44:19 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: SierraWasp
Did you see they passed the Federal land use planning over-riding Local government monstrosity in SECRET in the Senate

Guess I missed that one, I feel so out of the loop now. Do you have a bill number?

40 posted on 04/27/2002 10:59:05 PM PDT by farmfriend
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