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Air controllers: Saudi wanted only men
The Dallas Morning News via Drudge ^ | 04/27/2002 | By JIM MORRIS

Posted on 04/27/2002 5:25:24 PM PDT by vannrox

Air controllers: Saudi wanted only men

Envoy, FAA deny prince barred females from handling Texas flights

04/27/2002

By JIM MORRIS / The Dallas Morning News

WASHINGTON – Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah's representatives asked that women be barred from air traffic control duties when he traveled Thursday to Central Texas for a summit with President Bush, several Texas aviation officials say.

The request, honored on portions of the prince's flights between Houston and Waco, has angered some Texas air traffic personnel.

"I don't think his request should have even been passed on," said Mark Pallone, a regional vice president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. "Our controllers are all qualified. We don't qualify people based on sex or religion."

Representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration and the State Department denied that the Saudis asked for special treatment.

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Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Abdullah steps from his plane in Waco on Thursday.

"We have received no request from either the Saudis or the U.S. State Department that we provide any special services" to the prince, said FAA spokesman Roland Herwig. White House officials said they had no knowledge of any such request.

Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, told KHOU-TV in Houston: "I don't know where this news came from. I can say, without going back to our people, that is absolute nonsense that they would do something like that."

An FAA employee in Texas confirmed the incident, calling it "an outrage." Prince Abdullah is "in our country and should adhere to our rules," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The incident spotlights cultural differences between the United States and Saudi Arabia, where women are segregated in the workplace, banned from driving and forced to cover up from head to toe in public.

Texas aviation officials said the controversy began Thursday morning when members of the prince's entourage approached the manager of the Texas State Technical College airport in Waco, the airfield used by Mr. Bush and dignitaries visiting his ranch in nearby Crawford.

"Apparently, what happened is that an advance group of Saudi Arabians went in and talked to the airport manager and told him they did not want any females on the ramp and also said there should not be any females talking to the airplane," said Ruben Gonzalez, regional manager for RVA Inc., which operates the airport's control tower under a contract with the FAA.

The request was honored, Mr. Gonzalez said, and safety was in no way compromised. He said a male controller handled the prince's morning flight from Houston to Waco, with the female tower manager on the premises and ready to work, if necessary. Two male controllers guided the prince's afternoon flight back to Houston, he said.

"I had never had a request like this and thought it was odd," Mr. Gonzalez said. "But we did not do anything out of the ordinary. We just did our jobs."

Mr. Pallone, the union official, said the Saudis' male-only appeal made its way from the Waco airport to three FAA stations along the prince's route: the Waco approach control center and the Fort Worth and Houston en route centers.

During the morning flight to Waco, authorities in the Houston en route center "refused to comply" with the prince's request, Mr. Pallone said. The issue was moot in the Fort Worth en route center because an all-male crew already had been scheduled, he said. In the Waco center, he said, a male controller took charge of the prince's plane from a female controller.

During the return flight to Houston, only men were working in the Waco center, Mr. Pallone said. At least one woman was on duty in the Fort Worth center, he said, and Houston made no special arrangements.

Word of the Saudis' request spread quickly through FAA facilities in Texas.

"I've been a controller 24 years, and I've never heard of anything like this," said Dennis West, who works in the tower at Love Field in Dallas. "I was outraged, as were all the people I worked with, especially the females."

The FAA employee who requested anonymity was equally critical. "My understanding is that he [the prince] did not want any females to work him," the official said. "For us to accommodate that request is absolutely crazy."

The U.S. government has paid heed in the past to Saudi sensitivities, only recently jettisoning an Air Force policy requiring female American military personnel stationed in Saudi Arabia to dress in traditional Muslim robes when they go off-base.

The Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, noted that half the people aboard the crown prince's plane were female "hostesses."

"The role of women in Saudi Arabia is undergoing tremendous transformation," he said. "They make half the population. They are needed to bring the population to its full capacity."

The summit between Mr. Bush and the crown prince, who is Saudi Arabia's de facto leader, occurred against a backdrop of rising tensions between the two nations over U.S. policy in the Middle East and the commitment of Arab nations to rein in Islamic fundamentalists and fight terrorism.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; airplane; airport; arab; bush; controller; islam; israel; oil; power; prince; religion; saudi; security; texas
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1 posted on 04/27/2002 5:25:25 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Good idea for NOW and the feminists to boycott oil.
2 posted on 04/27/2002 5:33:06 PM PDT by Fast 1975
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To: vannrox
maybe they were afraid they would make tents in their robes
3 posted on 04/27/2002 5:33:58 PM PDT by linn37
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To: vannrox
Maybe we should request that they use only non-Saudi pilots. Who knows what they are capable of.
4 posted on 04/27/2002 5:37:38 PM PDT by USNBandit
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To: vannrox
In the Waco center, he said, a male controller took charge of the prince's plane from a female controller.

Wonder if they would have put "her" to death if ordered? Stupid question! We knoe the answer!

5 posted on 04/27/2002 5:46:33 PM PDT by sausageseller
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To: USNBandit
I read this article in Drudge. I could only think vicious thoughts about this request by the Saudi's. Unfortunately, they couldn't be translated humanely. Suffice it to say that I no longer consider Saudi Arabia and it's governing "body" worth remaining on this planet.
6 posted on 04/27/2002 5:49:46 PM PDT by jcmfreedom
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To: sausageseller
"know" stupid!
7 posted on 04/27/2002 5:50:32 PM PDT by sausageseller
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To: right_to_defend
"It was our administration that ORDERED it! Do you want to change your mind about which administration is fit to rule?"

Great point!

9 posted on 04/27/2002 6:38:16 PM PDT by lormand
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To: right_to_defend
It was our administration that ORDERED it! Do you want to change your mind about which administration is fit to rule?

In this supposedly free country, the current administration is by far the better of the two choices that the corporate monarchs allowed us to choose from.

10 posted on 04/27/2002 7:39:28 PM PDT by ghostrider
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To: vannrox
these dirtbags do have chutzpah ... to hell with them and their "requests" ... I vote we put pregnant women eating ham sandwiches with smiling unveiled faces in the towers ...
11 posted on 04/28/2002 12:24:26 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: ghostrider
I wish the corparate monarch's choose the President you'd get a semi libertarian hawk every time.
12 posted on 04/28/2002 4:22:02 AM PDT by weikel
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To: vannrox
Is this word appropriate?

barbarian
1. A member of a people considered by those of another nation or group to have a primitive civilization. 2. A fierce, brutal, or cruel person. 3. An insensitive, uncultured person; a boor. See synonyms at boor.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000 http://www.bartleby.com/61/88/B0068800.html

13 posted on 04/28/2002 6:34:25 AM PDT by John Galt's cousin
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To: John Galt's cousin
Who is John Galt, anyway? Never did find out.
14 posted on 04/28/2002 6:43:03 AM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: weikel
It is all about money - big world money. The world's big businesses control the money, thus the politicians, thus you and me. These corporate leaders are not elected by the people, so they have become in effect royalty. Examples abound everywhere, but the uninterrupted tenure of people like Dan Rather, Peter Jennings and Bryant Gumble is clear evidence that the monarchs are solidly in control.

It is incredibly amazing how much people imulate the proverbial ostrich by "sticking their head in the ground and their rump in the air" so as to avoid unpleasant facts. They will remain there right up until the point where a preditor bites them in the rear. Look at the Democrats. Eight years of clinton/gore. Then they moved to the Gore/clinton mode. Next, it may be clinton/clinton. But look at the Republicans. You have to go all the way back to 1984 to find when a Bush or a Dole wasn't on their presidential ticket. The future plans are being moulded right before our eyes. A clinton/Dole card is again being prepared for the ostrich masses. Soon, the election may be a real bitch - hillary verses Liddy.

Those looking for another Reagan better pull their heads out of the ground and look at who is getting all the press time (name recognition) without which they can not possible be elected. There is a whole slate of royalty being groomed - Kennedys, Bushes and even one chelsea clinton getting more air time than any "commoner" like Ronald Reagan.

15 posted on 04/28/2002 6:45:52 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: ghostrider
You do not sound like a conservative.
16 posted on 04/28/2002 6:49:14 AM PDT by weikel
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To: vannrox
They should have left the Saudi's circling until they ran out of fuel.
17 posted on 04/28/2002 6:51:26 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: ghostrider
Yes, but wasn't clinton a commoner?
18 posted on 04/28/2002 6:51:33 AM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: ghostrider
And I think I'd like G Gordon Liddy as Prez personally hes psychotic but he is no moderate and hes got guts( reminds me of Patton). He'd probably nuke Mecca.
19 posted on 04/28/2002 6:54:17 AM PDT by weikel
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To: vannrox
The only recourse here is to cut off Mark Pallone's right hand in the public square at high noon.
20 posted on 04/28/2002 6:59:23 AM PDT by Whilom
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