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Schools teach despair, pupils learn violence (Great Letter To The Editor)
Indianapolis Star ^ | April 24, 2002 | Jose Batista

Posted on 04/29/2002 4:25:39 PM PDT by tarawa

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:26:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Regarding "Memorial to Columbine held to highlight dangers of guns" (The Star, April 21), I am perplexed by the popular usage of the term "gun violence." Violence is violence regardless of the tool or method employed by the perpetrator. Why do we never hear "knife violence" or "baseball bat violence?"


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; blissninnies; guns; kids; rights; rkba
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1 posted on 04/29/2002 4:25:40 PM PDT by tarawa
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To: bang_list
Great letter indeed!
2 posted on 04/29/2002 4:36:03 PM PDT by coloradan
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To: tarawa
Instead of nurturing a love of life, public schools instill a fear of the world and a sense of moral and intellectual incompetence.

Democrat factories.

3 posted on 04/29/2002 4:49:12 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: tarawa
...public schools instill a fear of the world and a sense of moral and intellectual incompetence...

Great insight! Not only do public schools make kids feel incompetent, they make them feel that incompetence and dependency is a virtue, and that excellence is highly suspect and probably un-American.

Great letter!

4 posted on 04/29/2002 4:57:11 PM PDT by livius
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To: tarawa
Excellent!
5 posted on 04/29/2002 5:06:54 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: tarawa
Mr. Batista kicks butt! Wish some one could find him and invite him to FR.
6 posted on 04/29/2002 5:20:46 PM PDT by sausageseller
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To: tarawa
"Though the blame for Columbine belongs primarily with the shooters, the school and the parents follow closely behind."

Following on the heels of family disintegration is the school as friend and protector, not teacher and enforcer of discipline.

Moral relativism has caused families to fail, schools to fail, and now kids to fail--next, our civilized society.

Great letter.

7 posted on 04/29/2002 5:27:53 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: tarawa
Instead of nurturing a love of life, public schools instill a fear of the world and a sense of moral and intellectual incompetence. Bump.
8 posted on 04/29/2002 5:46:25 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: tarawa
Well said, Mr. Batista. Well said.
9 posted on 04/29/2002 6:06:21 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: tarawa
We need schools that make sense to kids. We have asinine zero-tolerance policies that make school administrators look like irrational jerks and criminalize children. What kind of society puts up with that? For all the "self-esteem" these venerable institutions imbue kids with, they are made to feel like societal victims. Can't read, can't reason, can't do math, but are supposed to feel great about it. Let's cut out the "isms" - multiculturalism, feminism, extreme environmentalism, etc., etc., and show kids where they fit into the world -- factual history, science using the scientific method, proven math programs, and phonic reading programs. What we need are more schools that utilize the classical model, rather than the progressive education we have today. Check out the site below. I know it's Christian, but classical education can be securlar in nature also. http://www.accsedu.org/ Stop jerking kids around and playing mind games with them! That is what is causing all the problems.
10 posted on 04/29/2002 6:21:25 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: Cyrano; Tennessee Bob; Free_Trapper; Crowcreek; Abundy; Gianni; Gun142; Son of Rooster; dorben...
PING for a great letter!
11 posted on 04/29/2002 7:01:36 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: tarawa
"The lack of fundamental life-guiding ideas kills, not the weapons used by desperate teenagers hateful of a world in which they have been taught that morality is a delusion of the naïve. "

WOWEE WHAT A GREAT LINE!!!

12 posted on 04/29/2002 7:03:04 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: tarawa
Instead of nurturing a love of life, public schools instill a fear of the world and a sense of moral and intellectual incompetence.

http://www.lingsoft.fi/~reriksso/competence.html

Incompetence is bliss, say researchers

BY ERICA GOODE
New York Times

There are many incompetent people in the world. But a Cornell University study has shown that most incompetent people do not know that they are incompetent.

People who do things badly, according to David A. Dunning, a professor of psychology at Cornell, are usually supremely confident of their abilities -- more confident, in fact, than people who do things well.

One reason that the ignorant also tend to be the blissfully self-assured, the researchers believe, is that the skills required for competence often are the same skills necessary to recognize competence.

The incompetent, therefore, suffer doubly, the researchers -- Dunning and Justin Kruger, then a graduate student -- suggested in a paper appearing in the December issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

``Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it,'' wrote Kruger, now an assistant professor at the University of Illinois, and Dunning.

This deficiency in ``self-monitoring skills,'' the researchers said, helps explain the tendency of the humor-impaired to persist in telling jokes that are not funny, of day traders to repeatedly jump into the market -- and repeatedly lose out -- and of the politically clueless to continue holding forth at dinner parties on the fine points of campaign strategy.

Some college students, Dunning said, evince a similar blindness: After doing badly on a test, they spend hours in his office, explaining why the answers he suggests for the test questions are wrong.

In a series of studies, Kruger and Dunning tested their theory of incompetence. They found that subjects who scored in the lowest quartile on tests of logic, English grammar and humor were also the most likely to ``grossly overestimate'' how well they had performed.

In all three tests, subjects' ratings of their ability were positively linked to their actual scores. But the lowest-ranked participants showed much greater distortions in their self-estimates.

Aiming high -- real high

Asked to evaluate their performance on the test of logical reasoning, for example, subjects who scored in only the 12th percentile guessed that they had scored in the 62nd percentile and deemed their overall skill at logical reasoning to be at the 68th percentile.

Similarly, subjects who scored at the 10th percentile on the grammar test ranked themselves at the 67th percentile in the ability to ``identify grammatically correct standard English'' and estimated their test scores to be at the 61st percentile...."

(for the rest of the article hit the link above)

13 posted on 04/29/2002 7:10:07 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal;d14truth
Homeschool works bump.
14 posted on 04/29/2002 7:16:02 PM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: Free Trapper;Terriergal
I wonder if Jose Batista is either an immigrant or a 1st generation American.

That would be too rich to see our newest citizens leading the charge toward our original values, while those who have 'made it big' in America sit in their mansions and scratch their heads, wondering what went so wrong that their kids are taking guns to school.

Excellent Letter. Thanks for the ping.

15 posted on 04/29/2002 7:39:32 PM PDT by Gianni
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To: tarawa
I've often thought that legalized abortion teaches kids violence. If a mother kills her baby, life is not really important at all and kids note this fact.
16 posted on 04/29/2002 7:58:01 PM PDT by maxwellp
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To: Gianni;Terriergal
First generation can be something special at times.My natural father is dead.My stepdad's father came over from Germany,joined the military and was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.Not bad for a new citizen.Newbies are OK by me when they have the right values.;o)
17 posted on 04/29/2002 8:39:36 PM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: B4Ranch;dcwusmc;NAFvet;Jim Robinson;Trueblackman;Alas Babylon!;BlackbirdSST;Snow Bunny;A Navy Vet
Bump up for a GREAT LETTER!!!

Toward FREEDOM

18 posted on 04/29/2002 9:33:25 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Terriergal
Two very good articles -- Thanks...
19 posted on 04/29/2002 10:03:44 PM PDT by Crowcreek
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To: Neil E. Wright
The declining slope America is currently following is increasing!

The NEA/UN is succeeding in educating the children into proper socialists.

20 posted on 04/29/2002 10:26:14 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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