Dear Mr. Sharon

May 02, 2002 | Texasforever

[Texasforever]

It's not realistic to bash Sharon considering the real threat posed by the UN if the US can't or wont veto sanctions against Israel or a trial for "war crimes". And it isn't realistic to deny that Israel was asked to stand down during the gulf war.

They were asked not to initiate attacks however they were never told they could not defend themselves. Look Sharon is either the leader of a sovereign nation or he is not. Arafat has been under Israeli control for 30 years. The Israelis have let him live and for one purpose only. They know as bad as he is, there are many that are worse to take his place. They have negotiated with him steadily for decades. As long as Arafat is the leader of the Palestinians, and as long as it is left to the United States to mediate between the two sides, then we have NO choice in the matter. Does Israel honestly believe the US would abandon them if they stood up and took this guy out. Don't be ridiculous.

[LarryLied]

If we refuse to handle our own terrorist and enemies as such and refuse to take them out then what right do we have to tell Israel to do the same or not do it?

This is not about "fairness", a " level playing field" or "consistency."

We tell any country any damn thing we want if it serves our interests.

None of them, Israel included, have anywhere near the integrity, sense of fair play and respect for equality under law we do. When one of them even comes close to where we are, I'll reconsider my position.

[SKempis]

They were asked not to initiate attacks however they were never told they could not defend themselves.

You are losing credibility here. They were asked to stand down. To not respond. Let them bomb you and don't do anything but try to dodge the missiles and lick your wounds. Stop trying to deny the obvious.

As for your demand that they kill Arafat to get your respect, get over yourself. That has been seriously discussed between Bush's people and Sharon. If the US would support it after the fact, and if those people (who know a hell of a lot more about the repercussions both politically and in terms of who would take his place) thought that would bring peace, you can believe it would have been done.

Sorry, but your backseat foreign policy advising is no less ridiculous and presumptuous than the Bush Bashers'.

[Texasforever]

Sorry, but your backseat foreign policy advising is no less ridiculous and presumptuous than the Bush Bashers'.

Hence the purpose of my post. Yes there are serious repercussions to killing Arafat. Sharon knows it and Bush knows it. The fact is that Arafat is a player that has to be dealt with and this is a reality that both Bush and Sharon are stuck with.

[cva66snipe]

We tell any country any thing we want if it serves our interests.

We can tell them anything but is it expedient?. As a Covenant Christian founded Nation {man to GOD} we owe an alliance to just one nation on this earth. We first of all are not New Israel or it's replacement. Israel is still under the Blood Covenant of Abraham. That Covenant was not made by man but from GOD. It is not dependent on Israel to it's existance nor is it revokable. We are straying far too close to an alliance with the very nations that will be in the Valley of Armagedon against Israel when the time comes. Make no mistake who will win that battle. Could what I posted below actually happen in some shape or form?

Such things as the U.N. are a blessing and a curse. The blessing was it fullfilled scripture in 1948 with Israel re-established as a nation and prospering. That was the first and only good thing to come from the U.N. Israel will be the stumbling block to all nations. Those who bless her are blessed those who curse her are cursed. Those are absolutes.

It is stupid to declare there must be a state that never was. Palistine is a region that was under King David. What was King David? A jew. What is Arafat and the others? Egyptians, Jordanians, Leboneese, Syrians, all Arabic but not Jews. The sons of Ishmael and the sons of Esau.

So let's see what's likely coming. The European Union a rebirth of the Roman Empire. Magog to the north of Jerusalem. Magog BTW is also known as Moscow. All the armies of the world against Israel. Will our Army be there? Likely not due to the geography and senerio listed below. We won't be able to make the trip. But why not & how come?

The Arabic nations lack one thing which is a strong military. Russia lacks money. The E.U. is hurting for oil and cheap trade as well. China is always in the market for realestate too.They want the United States. But how can they accomplish this task. By an army? No that would take more planes and ships than they can produce. But how then?

And what does the Arabic nations want more than anything? They have oil and money. They hold most of it. They want Israel gone. It is a hatred over 3000 years old. But they see the realities of her nukes and offer a peace deal for 7 years.

The deals? Middle East nations trade money for Russian defenses. Russia though was not quite as dumb as us. They left their military assests in place. In need of repair but there. The Middle East money solves that problem. Meaning defense and other factories though idle are still there as well as skills to retool and people wanting go back to work. The E.U. is bought with promises of cheap oil and dirt cheap imports. The U.N. is happy as it is ran by these nations anyway. That leaves China. The largest army in the world in number. The United States keeps it's alliance with Israel. The middle east is mad and China brokers a deal to provide all products that were from the United States if the Middle East nations agree to cut off oil to the U.S. They accept it and China ends trade with the United States.

This sends our economy to the dumper. Our defenses are weakened. We lack skilled machinist to tool up the plants and shipyards that we tore down years ago. Our agriculture can not produce enough food and famine occurs. The nation goes into civil war or seeing what has been done after the fact. China takes the United States without firing a shot. The United States will be a third world nation. This is let's say three and a half years into the agreement made with Israel for peace. At that time The Arbaic nation become impatient and demand action. The Asian, European, and Middle East nations mass on the last free remaining nation with nuke capibilities which will be Israel. The United States sees it has been had and launches a full scale nuke shower into Asia & Europe. Look on a map all the above nations will do this in a land attack. Sharon like him, hate him, or whatever is not what is going to save Israel. The commander of the final battle with her enemies will have a sure and precise victory over all of Israels enemies.

So do we stand with her or against her? There is good reasons for this nation to be self sufficent. There is good reasons to question entanglements with nations who do not wish to see us survive. Will it happen in this order or sequence? Only one person knows that answer. But we know it's going to happen. Where will we stand in the end? Are we doing a vast injustice encouraging the enemies of Israel? I think so. Remember Israel is not a New Testement nation but is still under the Abrahmic Covenant.{GOD Made} Personally I would like to see Israel handle Arafat themselves. But one being alone controls Arafats time in power and guys it's not Sharon.

[Brytani]

Sharon is a killer and Arafat is a perfect little angle right? Why don't you do the world a favor, stap some dynamite to yourself and take out a few of your terrorist-loving hatemongers with you. The world will be a better place for it.

[Michael2001]

I agree with everything you just said. I think Sharon has lost some of his edge with old age.

[Michael2001]

My wife was raised in the deep south and remembers it well. She was percituted in school because the teachers thought she was Catholic. The Jews were treated no better.

I have spent most of my life in the South and am unfamiliar with what you speak of. There are some who have very serious theological differences with Catholics, and don't like the Church's hierarchy, but never to the extent that one would be persecuted for being Catholic.

[woofie]

Good Post

[cva66snipe]

I have spent most of my life in the South and am unfamiliar with what you speak of. There are some who have very serious theological differences with Catholics, and don't like the Church's hierarchy, but never to the extent that one would be persecuted for being Catholic.

Did you grow up in South East Rural Arkansas in the 1950's? She was nearly failed in a class till the teacher saw her attending a Prostestant church. She had once attended Catholic Elementry school and the teacher made it habit to enfore this against all catholic students who attended public school after the Catholic school was closed by the church. The teacher was caught but not punished.

[Michael2001]

Well I was born in 1970, and while I don't doubt what you say, I am sure that nothing like this would happen today. I know that we do have skeletons in the closet, my own great-grandfather was a member of the Klan (he's still alive). He tells me he used to think that the the reason Catholic Churches have high steeples is that the Pope was going to try and take over the country and that the steeples would be used as sniper posts. Actually sounds kind of funny to me.

I won't deny that anti-Catholic sentiment still exists, but it is rather rare, and when it does it is not nearly as hateful as it was in the past. Most of it is directed at the Vatican and not individual Catholics. I have actually used FR as a tool to combat anti-Catholic bigotry where I find it at my Church. There aren't any Catholics where I live, but when someone in my Church posts something on our e-mail list that is anti-Catholic, I forward it to some of my Catholic friends on FR and allow them to respond.

But for you to accuse another poster of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish bigotry simply because of his views on Israel and because he is from Texas I think is a bit much.

[Michael2001]

Are you still Catholic? That scenario is usually presented by Baptists and other Evangelicals

[cva66snipe]

Are you still Catholic? That scenario is usually presented by Baptists and other Evangelicals

Neither one of us now or never were Catholic. With my wife she was mistaken as such as that is where she attended school for a couple of years. Not all attending Catholic schools are Catholic. Though the area she was in never saw violence from it the people did attach a stigma to it. The reason I question the poster was his posting that 95% of the Jewish population vote Dem and to him seemed to be the main cause of our woes without backing the claim up. It seems nobody in his opinion was to blame for anything wrong in the government but the Jews & Dems but not the GOP by any means. I consider that arrogance and a lie. The GOP as well has inflicted much of the damage done it upon itself and this nation trying to play Dem Lite.

Look at the evasions when I pointed out many GOP including POTUS support the very positions he was protesting the Jews supporting and even causing. It was a ridiclous post and I called his hand on it. It is the same babble I would suspect my wife heard growing up. BTW I have no hate of Jews or other Christian beliefs including many bashed in this forum. Also I as well as her am Baptist. I realize that the nations who bless and support Israel are blessed. Those who don't pay dearly.