Posted on 05/03/2002 8:33:00 PM PDT by John W
Edited on 04/29/2004 2:00:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
It happened 6 months ago. I'm not falling for that. You shouldn't either.
If they don't know conclusively what happened to 587, how can they pass any plane?
2) It's routine for eyewitness (even perfectly sane, intelligent people who believe they are telling the truth in every way) to plane crashes to report seeing an explosion or fire on an aircraft prior to it crashing that never happened. It's basically the brain creating a false memory to "make sense" of an extreme event that is traumatic to watch. Fascinating psychology.
If you were paying attention you'll notice there were several eyewitnesses that claimed that small plane that hit the building in Italy was on fire before it crashed, and I've seen nothing to the effect that the investigation determined it actually WAS on fire before hitting the building.
3) If it's a shoe bomb in the passenger compartment, how does it cleanly shear off the vertical stabilizer as the FIRST part of the plane, to come off, with not a scrap of blast or fire damage to the vertical stabilizer?
3) If it's a shoe bomb in the passenger compartment, where is all the confetti-like debris that would have been blown out of the rupture in the fuselage, such as pureed seat stuffing, overhead bin luggage, etc? There was almost NO small debris floating in Jamaica Bay AT ALL.
4) Why is there no explosion at all recorded on the Cockpit voice recorder? Any shoe bomb would definately have been audible on the CVR.
Me, too. Sometimes I wonder how many FBI lurkers are out there.
This link has direct quotes.
"It was after the eyewitness Tom Lynch, a retired firefighter, told the New York Post. "I'm telling you, the tail was there until the second explosion."
"No tail fell off, not before the explosion. I swear to that," Lynch told the paper's Steve Dunleavy.
The eyewitness said there was absolutely no doubt about what he saw.
"I had my head up taking in that beautiful, clear day and was staring straight at the plane. It made a bank turn and suddenly there was an explosion, orange and black, on the right-hand side of the fuselage. It was a small explosion, about half the size of a car."
2. From the same link, from a cop who is probably very used to witnessing "traumatic events" and professionally trained to be observant and remember the details...
Retired police lieutenant Jim Conrad, told Dunleavy:
"I saw exactly what Tom saw. I was near a stop light at the Marine Parkway Bridge. First, the small explosion. The plane kept on going, tail intact, then the big explosion and the plane nose-dived. The first thing I said was: "The bastards did it again.'"
"Lynch said he's tried to contact the FBI and the NTSB but they weren't interested in his story. Ditto Sens. Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, and his congressional representative Anthony Weiner, who also gave him the brush off.
"I got no response from anyone," he said"
3. And, from thislink, re: small debris.
"Flight 587's debris were scattered, leading to some speculation that the plane had broken up in midair"
Not to mention all the fires on the ground that would have destroyed debris, and the fact that the TV photogs are not going to waste time showing floating small debris when there was all that great fire footage.
For your second point 3, from this:
"Investigators confirmed that inspections in New York show that the six primary attachment points made of metal that connect the vertical stabilizer with the rest of the plane were found still attached and in their proper position. That has led investigators to focus more closely on whether microscopic defects or wear-and-tear of the composite components housed inside the attachment points and vertical stabilizer caused the rudder to shear off."
Isn't it possible someone one tampered with the attachments,prior to the flight, as a failsafe? (The plane, obviously, could never have become airborne if they were loosened very much.) It's also possible that there was a "weak link" as investigators describe, and the force of a blast severed the connection. Finally,
4. Not necessarily. Especially if the explosion took place in the back of the plane. Since we haven't heard one of these cockpit tapes in a long time, it's difficult to tell what can and cannot be heard.
Just call me tinfoil.
No one will admit that though. Everyone, including me,hopes that this was a one time event. But if the cause is what they are saying, there are many, many accidents like this waiting to occur. That is just as unthinkable.
Although I don't agree with your conclusions, I always learn something from you, and for that, I say, thanks.
Good references. Ever wonder why some topics get pounced on and hammered down?
Almost like Assigned Tasks.
On C-SPAN a week or two ago, I actually heard someone in the background instructing a caller on what to say.
I like to chat with some of the "checkout" folks at the grocery and 'elsewhere' :-). It's amazing the disaffection that's out there, with most of it aimed AT the government, at least in our area.
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